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		<title>By: myadlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>myadlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salam. nice entry. most of what you say is true about the local industry.

1 thing i always remember is, the quality of the website design depends on how much your client is willing to pay. quality comes at a price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salam. nice entry. most of what you say is true about the local industry.</p>
<p>1 thing i always remember is, the quality of the website design depends on how much your client is willing to pay. quality comes at a price.</p>
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		<title>By: famia</title>
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		<dc:creator>famia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Quote: Customer is always right&quot;

That is why sometimes the &#039;Client&#039;s always right&#039; website goes straight to hell. Ada juga yang masuk longkang dan parit. Nak mengaku design website itu pun terasa malu. Tsk....

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Quote: Customer is always right&#8221;</p>
<p>That is why sometimes the &#8216;Client&#8217;s always right&#8217; website goes straight to hell. Ada juga yang masuk longkang dan parit. Nak mengaku design website itu pun terasa malu. Tsk&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell" rel="nofollow">http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell</a></p>
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		<title>By: mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell yes. An idol he is to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell yes. An idol he is to me.</p>
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		<title>By: NoktahHitam</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoktahHitam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any gov docs. Free consultation, RM1 meds :D Tak poon suruh kawan2 check kan.

Consultancy charges. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a clear guideline for this. Up till what point should we ask until being invoiced? That&#039;s why, when it comes to lawyer stuff, I&#039;d just ring my uncle. Malas nak pening2 (or my friends)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any gov docs. Free consultation, RM1 meds <img src='http://www.noktahhitam.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Tak poon suruh kawan2 check kan.</p>
<p>Consultancy charges. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a clear guideline for this. Up till what point should we ask until being invoiced? That&#8217;s why, when it comes to lawyer stuff, I&#8217;d just ring my uncle. Malas nak pening2 (or my friends)</p>
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		<title>By: zara</title>
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		<dc:creator>zara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha.. we gotta follow the scale fees, dear. But then again, there are some who love the practice of undercutting which explains the existence of the term &#039;shopping around for better price&#039;. 

Consultancy charges ~ even a doctor charge for their consultation fees! Walau pun lepas tu bagi panadol dua hengget beli kat kedai.. 

*any available doc who can give free consultation with free meds? hehehehe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha.. we gotta follow the scale fees, dear. But then again, there are some who love the practice of undercutting which explains the existence of the term &#8216;shopping around for better price&#8217;. </p>
<p>Consultancy charges ~ even a doctor charge for their consultation fees! Walau pun lepas tu bagi panadol dua hengget beli kat kedai.. </p>
<p>*any available doc who can give free consultation with free meds? hehehehe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NoktahHitam</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoktahHitam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, sometimes Law industry is rather weird. E.g. S&amp;P. Gosh, that thing always give me goosebumps. I kinda expected somewhere around 3k, then all of a sudden, whoooppps 9k! And all the lawyer did was chop, sign, and run some peon, Wahlau, your paper is ready for collection. Do bring your check also. But when I asked for the lawyer&#039;s number from the secretary to clarify, she denied me. HELLO? I&#039;m paying 9k for something I AM UNSURE OF. Worst, I can&#039;t take it elsewhere! I do (sometimes) feel like I&#039;m being cheated.

There was once a patent issue. I was helping my client with their IPs. So we sat with a lawyer, just to clarify the service etc. Next thing we knew, we got a bill (rather my client) for consultancy charges! Aiyo yo!

Maybe I&#039;m just unlucky when it comes to lawyers. But docs, ehem ehem, always got meds for FREEEE~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, sometimes Law industry is rather weird. E.g. S&amp;P. Gosh, that thing always give me goosebumps. I kinda expected somewhere around 3k, then all of a sudden, whoooppps 9k! And all the lawyer did was chop, sign, and run some peon, Wahlau, your paper is ready for collection. Do bring your check also. But when I asked for the lawyer&#8217;s number from the secretary to clarify, she denied me. HELLO? I&#8217;m paying 9k for something I AM UNSURE OF. Worst, I can&#8217;t take it elsewhere! I do (sometimes) feel like I&#8217;m being cheated.</p>
<p>There was once a patent issue. I was helping my client with their IPs. So we sat with a lawyer, just to clarify the service etc. Next thing we knew, we got a bill (rather my client) for consultancy charges! Aiyo yo!</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just unlucky when it comes to lawyers. But docs, ehem ehem, always got meds for FREEEE~</p>
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		<title>By: NoktahHitam</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoktahHitam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this happens all over the world, in all industry.. &lt; err.. No. Don&#039;t jump to conclusion easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this happens all over the world, in all industry.. &lt; err.. No. Don&#039;t jump to conclusion easily.</p>
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		<title>By: naim jonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>naim jonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this happens all over the world, in all industry..
they want the best in quality, at the shortest time possible and at the lowest cost, best if, the consultant  be covering all the costs.... want all in, eh, ini u cover, itu u cover... alah, i oni add small changes maaa... wink2..

they came in all genders, races.... semua sama... in all industry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this happens all over the world, in all industry..<br />
they want the best in quality, at the shortest time possible and at the lowest cost, best if, the consultant  be covering all the costs&#8230;. want all in, eh, ini u cover, itu u cover&#8230; alah, i oni add small changes maaa&#8230; wink2..</p>
<p>they came in all genders, races&#8230;. semua sama&#8230; in all industry</p>
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		<title>By: NoktahHitam</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoktahHitam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy Clarkson is nothing but F awesome. No journalist can be an ass like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy Clarkson is nothing but F awesome. No journalist can be an ass like him.</p>
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		<title>By: zara</title>
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		<dc:creator>zara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only in your industry, but in law industry as well, we do face the same kind of attitude from &#039;sick&#039; clients. Work first pay later. Shaiiitz. The noblest trade profession so far is the doctor. By hook or by crook, you gotta pay the bill first or pay big deposit before being treated or upon given the meds. (This reminds me to keep on searching for a doc - for myself.)

In my case, I have to threaten them to sue them for the outstanding bill. Or delay in doing the work which then will give them the headache to pay for the penalty. Sometime we gotta be cruel to be kind. 

But I hate the one who love to compare our fees..shopping around for cheaper price but demanding to have the service as if they paid us million bucks. Dayemm. 

But strangely, I admire those who are not so rich or not a well to do person and who are striving to work to earn a decent living...coz they accept your fees, never ask for discount and always pay in full, even that means installment. And they make prompt payment too! Unlike the rich one..the richer you are, the stingier you become to depart with your money. 

*sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only in your industry, but in law industry as well, we do face the same kind of attitude from &#8216;sick&#8217; clients. Work first pay later. Shaiiitz. The noblest trade profession so far is the doctor. By hook or by crook, you gotta pay the bill first or pay big deposit before being treated or upon given the meds. (This reminds me to keep on searching for a doc &#8211; for myself.)</p>
<p>In my case, I have to threaten them to sue them for the outstanding bill. Or delay in doing the work which then will give them the headache to pay for the penalty. Sometime we gotta be cruel to be kind. </p>
<p>But I hate the one who love to compare our fees..shopping around for cheaper price but demanding to have the service as if they paid us million bucks. Dayemm. </p>
<p>But strangely, I admire those who are not so rich or not a well to do person and who are striving to work to earn a decent living&#8230;coz they accept your fees, never ask for discount and always pay in full, even that means installment. And they make prompt payment too! Unlike the rich one..the richer you are, the stingier you become to depart with your money. </p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: Alique Azmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alique Azmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha. So true la bro. Aku wat webdev nie pun byk makan hati je. Patutnye role aku coder tapi terus kena multitask jadi designer and coder. Dateline xyah cakap la, nak cepat je. Then bile PM aku propose Joomla (aku benci Joomla), diorg bising plak sbb later byk benda xleh nak buat sbb limit. X msk bab a few component yang clash dengan component lain. IE incompability? Memang tekanan. Lagi satu bile client kita orang tua yang rasa diorng punyer sense of creativity lagi hebat dari designer tu sendiri. Memang sakit hati. Nak ikut web tu, web ni. Xde identiti sendiri. Then nak fancy2 mcm bdk tadika. Arghhh!!. Tapi bab payment xnak release tu PM aku la yg pening. Haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha. So true la bro. Aku wat webdev nie pun byk makan hati je. Patutnye role aku coder tapi terus kena multitask jadi designer and coder. Dateline xyah cakap la, nak cepat je. Then bile PM aku propose Joomla (aku benci Joomla), diorg bising plak sbb later byk benda xleh nak buat sbb limit. X msk bab a few component yang clash dengan component lain. IE incompability? Memang tekanan. Lagi satu bile client kita orang tua yang rasa diorng punyer sense of creativity lagi hebat dari designer tu sendiri. Memang sakit hati. Nak ikut web tu, web ni. Xde identiti sendiri. Then nak fancy2 mcm bdk tadika. Arghhh!!. Tapi bab payment xnak release tu PM aku la yg pening. Haha</p>
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		<title>By: Roslan Nazri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roslan Nazri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>malaysian kat suke tawar menawar..haha tawar menawar pun biarla bertempat..nak adjer aku melempang deme.. diorang igt design2 ni senang ker? sama la..aku ade sorang kawan ni pakse mmbr yg pandai buat design2 ni cpt2..pada hal tak mo byr..kate suh tolong2 member je..bleh la..tiap2 bulan tlg2 member bankrup la weh..industri malaysia belom pada tahap &#039;Perfect Competition&#039; yang aku bajar dalam ekonomi..huuuu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>malaysian kat suke tawar menawar..haha tawar menawar pun biarla bertempat..nak adjer aku melempang deme.. diorang igt design2 ni senang ker? sama la..aku ade sorang kawan ni pakse mmbr yg pandai buat design2 ni cpt2..pada hal tak mo byr..kate suh tolong2 member je..bleh la..tiap2 bulan tlg2 member bankrup la weh..industri malaysia belom pada tahap &#8216;Perfect Competition&#8217; yang aku bajar dalam ekonomi..huuuu</p>
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		<title>By: sankai</title>
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		<dc:creator>sankai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, nice thought there. that&#039;s the reason i don&#039;t want to be a programmer or a webmaster.  Like you said, i like to take control of my world. 

;)

p/s - this is my 1st comment. but i was your reader for quite sometimes..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, nice thought there. that&#8217;s the reason i don&#8217;t want to be a programmer or a webmaster.  Like you said, i like to take control of my world.<br />
 <img src='http://www.noktahhitam.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>p/s &#8211; this is my 1st comment. but i was your reader for quite sometimes..</p>
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		<title>By: Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you have to ask how much is it, then you can&#039;t afford it.&quot; -Jeremy Clarkson.

I think this explains a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you have to ask how much is it, then you can&#8217;t afford it.&#8221; -Jeremy Clarkson.</p>
<p>I think this explains a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: titan</title>
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		<dc:creator>titan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>customer is not always right. Itu aku setuju.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>customer is not always right. Itu aku setuju.</p>
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