solar power perhaps maybe alternative? hahaha. i thought electricity cars would be cheaper but come to think of what u said, u have a valid point there

aku setuju ngan semua points ko…TNB dh naikkan rega letrik…even kalau letrik kat Malaysia ni free pon aku xakan beli gak kereta letrik buatan Malaysia..

errr..ko agak2 kalau ko bawak keta elektrik n stuck dlm banjir kt tgh KL, leh kena electric x?

Bang, aku rasa kalau dia boleh jual kereta tu, confirm dia dah pikir hal battery mati tengah jalan kot…And electricity is definitely greener than petroleum…and abt the old houses wiring, i think they target urban market first la…high density residential pulak, i dont think all 200 hse in one condo will buy each one elect car…

electric cars will give another alternative to the petroleum car. Probably not so effecient in energy consumption, but definitely greener.

Will give that a try tho.

is it after the electric car launch then the bill rate will be decrease like petrol rate!?

good eddie! u have several point of view there.

aku rasa tak sesuai guna kereta elektrik di malaysia. sbb rakyat malaysia punya kecenderungan untuk letak muatan lebih dlm kereta mereka.

beban lebih kuasa lebih, maka kuasa elektrik akan cepat habis. point pertama kau akan jadi kenyataan. sangkut di tgh2 trafik jem

is that how it works?

Nice.. u really got wicked mind.. :up:
I’m never think like this.. Great..

I don’t see how greener can the electric car be. As well all know, Malaysia’s power grid is still hugely powered by the burning of fossil fuels and thus using electricity to power the car (channeled from the grid) and burning fuel doesn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to the green sense.

Given the lack of proper infrastructure in many homes in Malaysia, not every family can charge a car (especially those living in condos as you’ve mentioned), electric car sounds more like an impossible dream to me.

In fact , a hybrid car will be better. Switching to greener fuels such as hydrogen and oxygen (which combines to give you water and heat when combusted in the engine) will be a better alternative – what the petrol kiosks really need to do is just set up specialised pumping stations for hybrid cars.

I like it when you get critical and objective! :up:

Okay lah tu..
Since our PM already planning to give free electricity charges to those who use below RM20..yaahh rite..who in the hell qualifies for these usage range? even i’m reducing the electrical usage in my home, the average i will get is RM40. Only those bangla’s & indon’s who only use fan and tv will have this advantages. Free electic for them – Non Malaysian! Great! :vangry:

By the way, Proton did do R&D about the hybrids. http://paultan.org/archives/2007/03/07/proton-and-lotus-engineering-develop-proton-gen2-eve-hybrid-concept/

But no idea when they going to launch it..maybe after all the world are looking into other different alternatives..i guess..

Btw , bro . It is an alternative source to power up the car. Same like NGV , you can switch between petrol or electricity , anytime. =)

your point of view make a sense! i agreed!

kalau stuck dalam banjir, aku setuju yang sistem die akan rosak sepenuhnya.

tapi, aku cuma terpikir, adakah kereta ni bergantung pada elektrik sepenuhnya? kalau ya, aku tak rasa dia cukup bagus la. sebab pendapat aku, (ceh, gaya play safe ni), kalau die gabungkan minyak dan elektrik lebih bagus. contoh kata, kereta ni stuck tengah jam ke, bateri kong ke, sekurang kurangnya ada sedikit minyak tersimpan untuk gerakkan kereta tu.

makna kata, minyak sebagai spare kalau2 ada kecemasan.

mari naik basikal .

i dunno la pasal this proton car..tp aku penah tgk program tv kat astro..keta elektrik nissan kot kalau x silap akan dikomersilkan pada 2012. dia guna bateri di mana 1 bateri mampu pergi 400-500km..kita nk charge, bukan angkot keta naik ke kondo..cuma bawak bateri tu je naik atas. kalau sangkut flood, beli 2..buat spare(menurut org nissan yg ckp dlm tv tu, harga keta/bateri tu berpatutan untuk semua org, bukan org kaya saja).

wohoooo….you got the points lah….sokong..sokong…

“Sky high electricity bill. ” – points yg ini sangat setuju… :up:

Proton dh buat car cmni..tahniah utk proton!

tp points ko mmg berasas .
cume, bab going greener ak rasa betul.
kalo guna petroleum lbh dasyat drp burning coal utk produce electricity.

sbb, walau ape care pun, mmg kita akan burn coal sbb electric mmg keperluan..tp petroleum, kalo xguna dh, maknanya hilang satu punca pencemaran.

my concerns:

1. are these cars safe when we have to go thru flood ( remember 2006 ) or strike by lightening ? i kinda wonder what would happen ?

most of ur points r vry strong. i cant argue with that.

Wow dude, you’re one of my closest friends but I have to disagree with you. Electric cars are the future! I wrote too long of a comment that I decided to put it in my blog instead. Do visit http://barkhan.blogspot.com

You got it right about the apartment dwellers. Where on earth are you going to find an apartment that provides a charging bay in Malaysia?

I’m not against electric cars at all in Malaysia, but in the end, if the right infrastructure is not put in (charging bays!), then it might even be cheaper to run a petrol car. Even in the long run.

If the main focus is on reducing fuel costs, traffic jams, and saving the environment, the only option is to ride a bicycle. Or a skateboard. Or rollerblades.
Honestly, I wouldn’t mind riding a bike to work if the roads were bike friendly. And if buses were bike friendly as well. And if it didn’t rain in Malaysia. And if it wasn’t so bloody humid. And if it didn’t mean that my gf would leave me for someone who drove. Wow, I just convinced myself that I hate bikes.

thank god it’s not only me he thought of this as the most idiotic move they’re gonna do. well at first saw it on the news and was like what were they thinking, in a country with such high priced electricity! seriously what’s the point?
and for many times I’ve mention that proton are developing backwards and here’s the proof, electric cars where made about a century ago around 1900s.
anyhows .. thnx for the nice post

Bro, if you own an electric car, and you are in a jam, and your car runs out of juice… thats too bad for you! The same can be said of a ‘normal’ car that runs on petrol!

Siapa suruh bawak kereta tak cukup minyak/bateri in the first place

mmmm…. i much more prefer hybrid car…

maybe the electric car overcome the oil price hike (in my humble opinion )

but gosh. i agree with u

electric car. Yes, I do think it’s a stupid idea. Well, maybe not that stupid, if it’s REALLY is possible to overcome all of those points you mentioned, except for the environment friendly factor. Says who that electricity from burning gas and charcoal doesn’t do damage to the environment?

come on. that much money should be spent on developing hydrogen cars. I’ve been waiting for the local car manufacturers to start developing on one since I was… 12? and now, I’m seeing that they are planning to make e-car???

ps, I have this fantasy where people are switching to (or, better yet, all of them are already using) hydrogen cars by the time I’m 30, including me. and… coincidentally, that’s 2020! and the fantasy keeps playing in my mind everytime I see fumes spewed by vehicles.

I hope that the ‘fantasy’ will become a reality in the future, soon.

I’m with you bro.

huhu..susah la nak charge-charge ni.. :kiss:

Maybe idea aku len sket kot. Aku support buat keta letrik ni. sbb aku dah tgk cmna org UK pakai kat London. cuma nak siap tempoh satu tahun tu terlalu cepat n byk bnda yg perlu diperbaiki.
Kalo nak cakap run out battery time jem, sama jer mcm minyak habis time jem. Dua2 kena tow. haha. Pastu actually cost keta letrik actually 10 times lagi murah dari keta petrol at 1.8sen/km compared to petrol car 19sen/km. Cuma yg bezanya kena tukar bateri dlm 2tahun cmtu la. sama mcm keta petrol tukar minyak hitam.
Elektrik car ni mmg lagi green from petrol as we all know petrol is estimated to abis in 15years(in time if we dont find any new). Yes charcoal is more dangerous to environment than petrol. But 30% of electricity in malaysia comes from hydroelectric(renewable energy). So at least kurang la penggantungan to non-renewable energy. If u see europe, german especially 20% comes from renewable energy like wind and solar. This is because EU really concern about climate change and want to reduce greenhouse gas emission by 20% in 2020. (check UN climate talks in Poznan, Poland) And to charge this battery, just simply plug into socket like u charge mobile phone.
If u search bout this amongst europe country, u can see how they integrated this with petrol pump. Car parking will have socket to charge electric car. normally for full charge it takes 8hours. Ok la if nak charge time kerja or at home. But there is a super charge mode where u can charge it to 80% in less than 30minutes located at petrol pump.
And to correct some of your point, solar energy is not absorb heat nor light. It absorb certains wavelength(or senang cakap solar spectrum) and convert it to chemical potential. Aku pernah test sbb ada solar panel. Example it can absorb energy from CFL(mcm lampu kalimantang) but not LED which use different wavelength. Even kalo mendung pun bleh dpat solar sbb wavelength tu tembus awan. Not a problem actually.

Ok. Harap ni jadi good forum to discuss bout anything. nice webpage!

The other idea is using fuel cell. Need Hidrogen + oksigen to generate electric then run the car.. Kos mungkin kepada keperluan utk mewujudkan stesen pengisian gas hidrogen dan alat fuel cell itu sendiri. Tapi kereta juga boleh dicharge menggunakan plug di rumah.. So kira Hibrid electric fuel cell tanpa enjin pembakaran petroleum.. Penggunaan kereta yg dicaj beterinya mungkin terhad kepada kereta ringan dan bermuatan kecil. So utk menghapuskan kekangan ini mungkin kita perlu elektrik yg boleh dijana sendiri di dalam kereta iaitu teknologi fuel cell.. Jgn kata alasan menyimpan hidrogen bahaya sebab semasa kereta petrol mula dicipta dulu ramai org kata bahaya.. masa elektrik mula di sebar kerumah ramai kata kerja maut.. tap sekarang kita hidup dikelilingi oleh risiko maut itu.. wayar letrik.. dapur gas.. kereta.. even jalan raya pun boleh bawa maut.. Dari segi kos boleh di adjust, dari segi environment dah tentu envi friendly.. tak perlulah kita nak pertikaikan penggunaan elektrik utk menjana hidrogen di peringkat industri atau caj bateri.. Kalau itu pun kita nak pertikai.. nak surf int ni pun kita tka bleh..

I agree with you on almost all points. A hydrogen car is a tough one too. Hydrogen is a source that is slowly becoming scarce in many areas and will continue to. I think if we are running cars on this everywhere we could see more expensive food and other services as the demand would be so high for water the supply would start running low. In a perfect world the electric car would work and be great but not everyone is using a combination of clean energies that are not susceptible to black-outs. Plus who knows how great this car by Detroit motors and Proton really will be, it looks pretty cool though.

Kenapa syarikat kereta ni tak nak buat hovercraft sebesar kereta? Kalau banjir ke, jem ke, accident ke takdelah teruk sangat. nak seberang sungai pun senang, tak perlu jambatan. kalau jalan jem, boleh jalan ikut sungai. kalau accident, belon bawah hovercraft tu mungkin boleh absorb.
jadi nak pakai elektrik ke, minyak ke, nuklear ke.. semua tak kisah.

aku stuju dgn din,faizan dan mct. nmpak mereka ni smua terpelajar. klau nak ikut kan sejarah pn, rmai yg tak percaya besi boleh terbang,besi boleh terapung. skarang ni besi boleh timbul dgn tengelam jgk. cuma pemikiran rakyat malaysia ni tak mcm org barat. diaorg concern dgn environment skarang. dunia dah makin panas… smua kena ingt tu. paras laut dah naik. lps ni singapore dah kecik, penang dah tak de… at least diorg ada idea utk kurangkan pencemaran. smua mslah yang di utarakan smuanya ada penyelesaian lah bro noktah hitam… nsb baik tak de org barat yg baca lu pnya mslah klau gn keta electric. pasal harga keta elektrik skarang mmg lah mahal. mcm mula2 cell phone. dlu org kaya je pakai,tp skarang ni bdk tadika pn bleh ada cell phone. pasal charge lama tu dah ada solution lah bro. cuma kena pastikan yang bateri tu lah. bro kena tgk unit bateri charger tu kan unit Ah. Klau 1000mAh tu maknanya dapat charge bateri dengan bekalaan elektrik 1A slama sejam je. Klau nak lagi cpt charge, tnggikan arus.2A setengah jam. Skarang ni, saya buat master by research pasal fuel cell vehicle (bagi yang tak paham keta guna hidrogen). Kereta hidrogen dan yg pakai air tu smuanya di jana pakai elektrik. Klau semua takut kereta rosak kena air, kereta skarang ni tak pakai elektrik ke. air cond, radio,viper,gps,lampu,cermin keta byk lagii lah.. smua pakai elektrik. ada ke kata tkut kena short… kapal terbang tu byk kali je kena panah petir kat udara, ada je yang terselamat. bkn nak cari kesalahan, cuma nak buka minda rakyat malaysia ni jgn pandai memberi komen sahaja. cuba cari penyelesaian dari masalah tu.. bykkan baca dari paper2 yg org buat. cthnya dr science direct,IEEE. gud luck..

Lets leave that to the R&D people to solve the problems.
I see all your points but overall, the power source of electricity (Solar, Wind, Empangan, etc) is undeniable better than gasses that need a lot of procedure/steps before it can be used.

Obviously the electric car is not the perfect solution for EVERY driver. Like the NGV, there will be some people who think it’s a stupid idea to install one in their car while others will claim it’s God’s gift to humankind. Now, in the spirit of open discussion I would like to point out the flaws in your arguments:

“You need to charge the car. What happens if your car ran out of battery in traffic jam? Conventionally, you can always walk to the nearest station. Battery? Get AA size ones? Push? I’d recommend you call a towing company. That’s RM200 down the drain”

Petrol cars idle and waste a lot of petrol in a traffic jam. Electric engines don’t idle, they completely shut off. When off, they don’t use electric. In other words, there will be little difference to an electric car wether if it’s in a traffic jam or not, especially if the driver is calm and doesn’t accellerate and decellerate needlessly. Besides, it’s stated that the range is up to 300KM. How far do you have to travel to go to work?

Sky high electricity bill. You may think it’ll reduce your petrol expenditure but you’re wrong. The petrol expenditure will go directly to your electricity bill. Leverage, justify, call it what ever you want, you gain too little to notice.

I believe a Kancil has 17km/l, so that translates to (assume 1 liter = RM1.8) 17/1.8= 9.4 KM per RM. Search the internet to verify this: GM estimates it will need 10 kilowatt hours to recharge the Volt to go 64 km. TNB website states that the electricity tarif is RM0.218/kWh, or 29.4 KM per RM. If you travel just 500km per month (~25km every work day) you will save RM36 per month. Personally, I travel over 1000km per month so the savings would be much larger for me.

However, you musn’t forget that electric engines are almost maintenance free, especially the brushless types. There’s no oil change, spark plugs & air filters. What they do have however are battery replacements which can cost up to RM8000 every 10 years.

Black outs. Let’s face it, monopoly is bad idea of improving any service. We all had our blackouts every now and then. So tell me, where can you seek refuge during the darkest day when your car is dead?

I remember way back in 1997 when the power grid failed for 3 days. Good point.

Going greener? Nope. Electricity comes from burning gas and charcoal. We have yet to own a nuclear plant although MINT was established long ago

Do you seriously believe that the power plants will not have catalysts and purification equipment that will far outperform the catalysts equipped in each and every car? Logically, it would be much more cost efficient to install these sort of equipment in a single facility than installing it in every vehicle in Malaysia. I believe if you search long enough you will find that the main cause of pollution in Malaysia is from vehicle emissions. Besides, the future Bakun dam (yeah, green clean energy) will be so underutilized that we will be forced to allow aluminium smelting companies into Malaysia just to use up our excess electricity. Now smelting aluminium, will really kill our enviroment. Search Wikipedia.

Old housing wiring. Most modern home are equipped with a 3 phase power supply, sadly not rural ones. Naturally, electric cars will need these facility to recharge the battery. Yeah, you can strike out balik kampung with this car

Erm, why do you “naturally” need 3 phase power supply to recharge the car batteries? It’s just batteries, P = IV (power = ampere*voltage). It’s DC (direct current). So, 3 phase? Why? Even 3 phase will be converted to DC eventually to recharge the DC batteries. Again, why?

High density residential. If you live in a condo, apartment or any high rise, it’ll be (almost) impossible to recharge your car from your house. They’ll be a special parking bay and I bet your management will shave every extra penny you make

Yeah, can’t argue with that.

ps: My arguement today is from consumer’s point of view.

should be change to
ps: My arguement today is from childish point of view.

aiyoo..ingat yang buat Rn D kereta ni drug addict kt chow kit kaa?, tak pikir semua point tu?, ingat senang ke nk jadi engineer, tu semua sudah dipikir la.. apela, point macam budak2 aja… LOL

well said, Alan. that’s exactly what i would say here if i didn’t read your comment
there’s a lot more good than harm for electric car. research on it already begun decades ago. the biggest problem they’re facing is none other than the battery itself. but hey, do u remember ‘old-time’ handphone? how bulky and heavy the batteries were, and how small and light they are now?
additional point though; electric motor require less space than petrol engine as a lot of parts aren’t needed anymore. this will enable car makers to offer bigger cabin and trunk space, and will also enable you to save more, as the car could be maintenance-free!! well, except for brakes, tires, and other wear & tear