aku daripada dulu x setuju ajar maths & science in english. ajar je la dalam bahasa melayu.

aku terkasima bila member sebelah aku bukak windows in japanese version. look at the japs. diaorang x de plak susah2 nak belajar dalam english pun. hehe

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setuju dengan artikel ini. nak mulakan sesuatu program sesenang nak meluahkan dari mulut. tetapi dalam perlaksanaannya hancur!

apatah lagi perlu melibatkan kajian yang mendalam! orang kita bukan seperti orang mereka. sepatutnya kita sendiri ada formula utk menaikkan orang kita.

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Ada baiknya.. Ada buruknye.. Contohlah kan, kalau di ajar dalam bahasa english math tu dari awal, senang sikit diorang nak paham apabila masuk uni.. Sebab kebanyakan alatan mengajar dan alatan pembelajaran mostly dalam bahasa inggeris.. Ni kes untuk membiasakan diri la.. Tapi korang akan rasa pelik bila korang belajar dalam bahasa melayu time sekolah dan tetibe berubah ke bahasa inggeris bila masuk high edu.. Kekok sikit la..

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wah…. what a long opinion beb…
aku pon stuju dengan statement nko:-
Kalau nak belajar bahase lain, suh je p tution… miahaha~

*masalahnye depa ni tak mo dengar pendapat kite…

Hope one day, your voices will be heard.

Kreuger®

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I agree with one type of school. Indonesia is already there, and they have greatly reduced the racism in their country.

why tamil/chinese? can all of the examiners understand the two languages? I guess not.

Plus, I don’t think one can give the answer in full Malay while they are learning in english. all the terms and all that. if they mix up the terms, wouldnt that be rojak?

wow. otai gila exam.

Being the first batch of students to learn Math and Science in English, I strongly agree that those subjects are best taught in English. Honestly, in my opinion, it’s easier to understand. I can’t imagine learning chemistry with all those weird names they have translated into malay. but then, of course, the people in the rural areas. kesian la. I guess, they have to read more english newspaper. work more to improve. then, it all comes back to the parents. parents should encourage

Plus, when the students go to higher educations, they are going to learn in English, anyway, so why not start early? What if they are going overseas to further their studies? Atleast they dont have to spend a few more years in Malaysia learning English all over, while that is something that they have been learning as early as 7.

my dad learnt math n science in english in school, but my mum, (borned 2 years later) learned those subjects in malay. My dad said, it was helpful to him, but my mum said that she struggled a bit when she furthered her studies. both of them further their studies in the US. I’m just saying that before this, math and science were taught in malay but back then, there were pejuang melayu and all that.

right now it’s in english.

and now, they are reconsidering it?

how indecisive, like shandye has said.

Malay language? They don’t even have the malay dictionary online. Nevermind the BM-Eng, they don’t even have BM-BM. -___-”

kecewa i.

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nice post bro. seriously, i support your opinion.

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sampai bila nak jadikan budak2 tu mangsa percubaan…mak bapa pening nak create mcm mana utk anak2 ikut acuan yg kementerian nak.

2thn pertama mcm ni…2 thn kemudian tukar…2 thn kemudian balik semua…

itu belum masalah cikgu-cikgu…

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Although I once idealised a situation where a multicultural nation like Malaysia might want to adopt an education system where students can choose the language of the paper they want to sit in (and subsequently, the language used to educate them), I realised that it is everything but possible.

An education system with various languages in play will only reduce it’s effectiveness. Of course this doesn’t mean scrapping all the mother tongue subjects like Mandarin, Tamil and Bahasa Malaysia, other non-linguistic related subjects like sciences and maths shall be taught in a common language that educators in the country has came to a common consensus of.

I foresee a few problems that may arise from a multilingual education system:

Bias - Language barriers will only enhance the human factor of bias when it comes to grading and marking. Different languages have different terms for the same object/action/process and some may lack the term to describe it, resulting in difficulty in translation and unified grading process.

Resource intensive - By offering students with more than one language to choose from, the government is actually placing a lot more burden and strain than necessary on the system. They need to hire markers that speak different native languages to mark the papers in different languages, and there might be communication/translational erros when it comes to adhereing to a common marking scheme. It’s just way too tedious and taxing on the resources apportioned to the education system.

Globalisation doesn’t mean everything in English - Nations like Germany, France and etc have top ranking education system and a free flow of human resources and cultural exchanges even when the primary languages used in the education system is not English. A language is intrinsicly tied to the cultural background of the country, society and population, I don’t see the need to drastically change to a so-called ‘universal’ language to change the education system for the better.

Don’t follow suit - Every country has unique history, population composition and mixture of different cultures and ethnic groups. It is irrational for us to follow the footsteps of Singapore which has revolutionised her education system just because she is so successful nowadays. No parallels can be drawn between any two countries, and I don’t see the need why the Malaysian government should emulate what Singapore did two decades ago. If the population is comfortable in BM, so be it. There’s no correlation between a successful country/education system and the language used.

Just my 2 cents I’m ranting and ranting again…

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NH have you seen ‘10 tahun sebelum merdeka’ ?

I bet you shall have more ideas to blog about Malaysia unity, national language and democracy.

Link is here if you wanted to watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/10tahun

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one simple question,adakah kita semua mengangkat martabat bahasa kita sendiri? contoh simple blog ni,bukan dlm BM.

sorry,i’m not judging/blaming you NH. i’m sure u have ur reason. aku pon xhipokrit. aku suka baca blog dlm english juga. if i were to write a blog,i definitely write it in english. reason:sbb aku rasa aku jarang speaking,so kalau tulis blog dlm english leh practice skit.

(tgk la..komen aku pon rojak BM-English..haih)

ntah la..aku rasa mcm xda kesinambungan kat Msia ni. Contoh,kat sekolah dlm BM,kat University dlm english plak (xtau la skang mcm mana)..segitiga sama kaki jadi isosceles triangle,pastuh nanti keje xtau la..BM? English? english kot sbb byk program dlm english..

kadang2 kalau ada pilihan pon kita sendiri suka english. contoh menu henset. brapa org je yg guna menu BM.

interesting anecdote: time aku nk beli henset baru utk mak aku,dia nk yg ada menu BM sbb dia xreti english.at first susah gak la (dan lawak gak la) aku nk biasakan diri (time nak ajar dia guna) sbb xpaham menu BM tapi lepas 2-3 ari ok je. setting=aturan, connectivity=kesinambungan,etc..

soalan ikhlas:jikalau korg nk beli komputer baru dan dia offer windows dlm BM or English,yg mana satu korg prefer?
jawapan ikhlas aku: windows english,sbb aku seperti warga Msia lain dah terbiasa guna english ,malas nk tukar la & mcm xdak class je pakai bm…
what’s ur answer then?

**what CEO Microsoft Msia probably thinking,’buat apa nk buat Windows BM,demand skit ja,ala diorg semua terima ja dlm english,dah biasa,..’

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“sayang bahasa , tinggal-tinggalkan .”

persepsi orang melayu .

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not being racist , but allowing students to answer their exams in any language they wanted is probably a mistake.

imagine how the papers are going to be divided into 4 groups according to languages. and a language is assigned to a group of teachers who speak that language.

not only it will make the cost of assessing the exams higher , but we will also have problems on having a synchronised answer scheme.

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English and Malay are just languages. Math & Science are different. You need to fry your brain for it. On the take for Science and Math in English, it will be much easier for the students to learn in Malay instead of English. But on the point for difficulty in the transition from Malay to English in Math & Sc, maybe we can fix that through the text books. Use English text book instead of Malay text books, let the teachers & students translate themselves, enhancing their vocabulary in English…but let the main medium for the teaching in Malay so as to be understand the subject itself.Just my 2 cents

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aku rasa lah patut kot matematik dan sains dalam bahasa english sebab dengar zaman yang sedang berubah kini…malaysia sudah mula ingin menembusi pasaran dunia…dan akan menjadi negara maju pada 2020..so diserapkan matematik dan sains dalam bahasa english untuk membantu generasi akan datang agar tidak ketinggalan dan mudah diterima bekerja..pada masa hadapan bos2 di syarikat takkan pandang pada one person who only can speak in one language…sekiranya ada dua org yang pergi interview..seorang hanya fasih berbahasa melayu..seorang lagi fasih bahasa melayu dan english…agak2 nya sapa yang akan dipilih..lu pikirlah sendiri…

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good entry.. very analytical and with points of course.

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Some middle class above Malays can’t speak fluent Malay too……

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none of my parents speak english. the education system during my time was either english medium or malay. i totally disagree that the kampung kids cannot pick up english as a language. my parents are not educated but i am glad i had a different attitude towards life. i mixed with other races a lot and therefore forced to use english as a medium of communication. my parents encouraged us to read any kind of books and willing to pay though difficult for them for the novels we fancy. their open mindedness eventhough being simple people are left to be saluted and i thank them for that. my younger sister is a walking dictionary till today. becos she reads the dictionary a lot….so i would say language is not the barrier to one’s success but one’s attitude.

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http://thedandelions.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/science-and-maths-in-english-or-bahasa-malaysia-part-3/

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I still remember when I was in BTN back in 2006. They asked about this issue. Surprisingly, out of 10 in the group, I’m the ONLY person disagreed about the govt’s M&S in English.

The point here is, who will listen to us? Who will listen to me? Who will listen to your expression here?

Or else, who among us will be the “real head” of this “rubbish”?

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Salam and Hello guys,

(rasa2 panjang ni.. so, sabar la ye)

Sebelum aku pegi lebih jauh, izinkan aku establishkan credentials aku. Aku alhamdulillah takde masalah English. Aku tinggal kat Jerman, so aku boleh cakap Deutsch, and Japanese pun bole la. Aku penah jadik lecturer kat mechanical engineering faculty uitm, so faham sesangat la student2 melayu yang belajar dalam medium english. Aku pun penah jadik projek engineer untuk Royal Dutch Shell, and sekarang sambil2 buat master+honeymoon.

Orait, to begin with.. aku setuju sangat bahawa Bahasa Melayu dijadikan bahasa pengantar untuk segala-galanya dalam Malaysia. Jadikan sebegitu rupa sehinggakan foreigners yg datang ke Malaysia (utk study, keje, dll) TERPAKSA belajar bahasa Melayu. Pengalaman aku tentang Inggeris, Jerman, Jepun, dan tentu sekali Melayu, membuatkan aku teramat-amat menghargai bahasa aku nih.

Hujan emas di negeri orang, hujan batu di negeri sendiri. Lebih baik di negeri sendiri.

MenEnglishkan subjek2 di sekolah hanya akan membuatkan pecahan pegangan Bahasa Melayu semakin kecil dan tersisih! Semua tahu, sebelum merdeka, pecahan pegangan Bahasa Melayu hanya didominasi oleh tentera Inggeris - itupun digunakan hanya ketika dikalangan mereka. Ketika berkomunikasi dengan rakyat tempatan, mereka ini berbahasa Melayu! Rakyat ketika itu kuat semangatnya kerana naskah2 Melayu merata-rata membangkitkan jati diri mereka, perwira2 dan pejuang2 Melayu terus menerus menerusi Bahasa Melayu menjuruskan kata-kata hikmat, syair2 dan pujangga yang menaikkan bulu roma siapa2 pun yang membaca.

Bahasa Melayu pernah kuat di Nusantara, menjadi pengantara ilmu, seperti dibuktikan dalam sejarah. Kita tahu dan sedar tentang ini, tapi kita tolak tepi dan tak peduli - sama ada malu, malas, atau tak tahu! Kemudian ada pulak beralasan yang zaman sudah berubah, dahulunya memang bahasa kita, tapi kini bahasa ilmu adalah Inggeris. Betul ke? Aku rasa, ilmu itu tidak perlukan bahasa untuk hidup. Matematik, Akustik, contohnya, ia sendiri adalah bahasa, di mana telah berkurun manusia berkomunikasi dari penjuru dunia. Bahasa itu, cuma batu loncatan, pemangkin (catalyst) untuk mempercepatkan perkembangan ilmu itu. Jadi, utk percepatkan ilmu utk orang kampung misalnya belajar dan guna, pastila bahasanya sendiri. Harap2 orang bandar masih tahu berbahasa orang kampung.
Mencambahkan ilmu itu sendiri didalam bahasa Melayu adalah yang sebenarnya terpenting. Mengambil ilmu dari bahasa lain itu boleh, tapi lambat. Lambat seperti lambatnya bangsa eropah menterjemah ilmu2 cemerlang bangsa Arab. Betapa banyak aku dapati buku2 Jerman yang amat berkualiti, dari segi hampir kesemua segi, kalau nak dibandingkan buku2 terbitan Amerika dan sekutunya. Itu belum pun Jepun, Perancis, dan lain2.

Usah dibandingkan Singapura itu. Aku yakin satu hari nanti, tahap tepu (saturation) akan dia rasai, dan waktu itu, dunia mereka seakan terlalu kecil, padat, tapi kosong due to the absence of happiness, identity, and definitely.. the next destination. Kita punya Islam, Bahasa Melayu, itu sudah teramat bagus. Kekalkan ini semua supaya kita tetap ´berwarna´.

Dah berapa ramai orang yang pucat lesi takde kaler.. tu belum yang jenis ´tan´. (If you know what I mean).

Ilmu itu kekal dan semakin berkembang disebabkan cepat kefahamannya dan senantiasa amalannya. Kalau Aminah yg di darjah 6 memang faham sangat hukum kuasa dua, dia akan dengan mudah mengajar kawan2nya, adik2nya, tentang itu. Mereka pula akan dengan mudah faham. Silap2 pakcik sate ikan yg Aminah jumpa tiap2 petang lepas sekolah pun boleh buat calculation exponent sebab Aminah ajar.

Abis tu, nak ke pakcik sate ikan tu belaja bahasa omputih dulu sebelum keluar umah? Kut2 malu dengan Aminah ke. Nonsense.

We are what we are. So MJ ubah dari negro ke mat saleh. Ok la tu kan, so kite pun pakai la coat bulu tengah2 panas kat mesia, bukan apa, baru on-trend. Right? Nope. Because we are what we are. Kalau dah melayu tu, guna la bahasa melayu. Tingkatkan diri kita bukan dengan mengubah bahasa, tapi menambah ilmu, mengamalkan ilmu tu, dan mengikhlaskan segalanya! Dan again, ilmu tu boleh jadi datang dari Fiji, Indonesia, Togo, Venezuela. Untuk faham makna Al-Quran, maka belajarla bahasa Arab. Untuk faham ích bin nicht verstanden´, maka belajar Jerman. Untuk faham ´setapak melangkah, dua langkah ingatan kanda pada dinda´.. maka belajar lagi bahasa Melayu. Jangan ingat English adalah segalanya.

Some people say IT mostly dalam English. May be true. May be not. Tapi bahasa ni bukan sekadar untuk IT la bro! Math & Science are not just for having easier chance to get into this company that company or to further degree to this nation or that country. Nope. Bahasa adalah untuk membangunkan negara. Sekali, semua tahu yang kita merdeka menggunakan Bahasa Melayu. Tapi, as always, now we are, (and please accept this), taking this independence (all the time, or some) for granted. Thats why Bahasa Melayu bukan pilihan utama dalam Matematik and Sains. Kalaulah pejuang2 Melayu yang menentang Inggeris dulu masih hidup, agak2nye ape la perasaan diorang bile tengok bebudak boleh berdebat dalam Inggeris, tapi tak reti nak buat pantun Melayu!

And dont say to me that the English in Math & Science will not harm other Malay-medium subjects.

Dude, the only key to get into the other side of the opponent´s strong wall is we need only one small hole between the bricks, even a tiny water trickler would do. Then, put more water, or even better a ´ba-wau-mim-ba´inside it.. and dush.. you get your soldiers a very clear straight path.

Alamak, dah dekat kul 3. Tak besnye ending, tapi kene end gak. Tchuss!

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My children, from boleh di kira kampung up North, are proficient in both Bahasa & English. Bahasa Malaysia is their Mother tongue, they are excellent in both the written & the spoken word. It’s the same in the English language. They attended Sekolah Kebangsaan from start to finish. If they can do it, any student can..if they put their minds to it.

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i beg to differ on the part u blamed mahathir for us looking up to mat sallehs. we have in fact been doing so for donkey years, and only during mahathir’s tenure that we began to look eastwards (case in point was japan initially if i’m not mistaken) and appreciate that asia (and asians) can indeed be better.

he may have done a lot of wrongs, but we should gv credit where it’s due. his dasar pandang ke timur is the first major paradigm shift for malaysia of the more recent era.

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its all about politics…
umno existed for malay…
that means they will defend and standing for malays’rights (Islam,malay language,malay customs, etc.)…
its all about politics game…
to show that they working for rakyat…
to show that they provide bright future in education and jobs for rakyat…
B.M is useless for recent age…( i love bm).
so,they changed bm to bi for sc and m3…
and their cronies got the contaracts from gov to produce the newly branded text books…siapa tawkey?

the acronymm for umno is in English (in bahasa melayu, it should be PEKEMBAR)…
ironically,UMNO was created for malays…

The concept is , sc and m3 should be delivered in native language of malay,b.m.
The things to encourage them to be good in english by changing the obsolete syllibus of english subject.
students getting bored with today’s sillybus…
UMNO should improvise the english subject merely.

The problem is, primary and secondary students can’t understand the concepts of the subjects.Plus the problem to understand the foreign terms in sc and m3…
~once we got the concept , we can deliver the knowledge in different languages.(bm ,bi etc).
~regarding to the last UPSR result (2008).Pak menteri said , students achievements improved…you know why?
1.the UPSR result from kampung and bandar like sky and ground.so, the graph decline…(esp sc and m3)
2.in the circumstances,the number of A-grade students increase.
3.they using the A grade as a parameter to say that students can deal with english for sc and m3.

But the quality?lets UMNO people to answer it.

ps:i think there’s no fault to blame UMNO’s people because they are the trigger of many problems that happened to malay today.Furthermore , UMNO’s people conquering the ministry (education+higher edu.)…

pss:i suggest you to read tukartiub.blogsport.com..he is your super-duper senior in mckk…i believe u know him…

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entah kenapa orang atasan (beruk?) tak reti nak menilai perkara2 sebegini.

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erm…aku blajar sains ngan math masa zaman KBSR n KBSM..then masuk UTM..Mechanical Engineering..elok je keluar jadi engineer.keje engineer.seingat aku x de masalah pun tentang bahasa sepanjang aku blajar terutama dari segi istilah.sama jugak kawan2 aku yang dari pedalaman yang dapat P7 english mereka masa SPM(aku C3)..sebab bila masuk uni wpun lecturer ajar dalam bahasa melayu campur english..semua terms engineering(read:terma-terma hahaha) diorang akan guna terms english.so aku x faham tang mana yang confuse bila nk further studies tu seperti alasan sesetengah org yang bagi aku..mereka malas nak ambil tau?bagi aku..aku sependapat dengan tuan punya blog..yang penting knowledge tu tersampai..medium of learning is 2nd.know your priority,wajib dulu ke sunat dulu?ni kan pulak yg sunat tu dah ada dlm subjek yang wajib..even korang blaja sains in english pun..mind u..natrium in UK means Sodium in US means garam in malay..and the vocab goes on..korang ingat tak produk mamee tanpa MSG pada tahun 1993?MSG is monosodium glutamate..tp kt ingridient dia tulih mononatrium glutamate(MNG)..hehehe..then dia cas x de MSG..bagus kan?english in science and maths anyone?

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Kalau ade kemahuan, di situ ada jalan.

Kalau orang tu nak pengetahuan, tak kesah la bahasa ape, mesti dia akan belajar jugak.

Zaman2 dulu pun people make effort nak translate penulisan bahasa Arab ke Latin and vice versa. Takde pun issue semua scholars Arab kene blaja Latin?

Unfortunately, people these days are too focused in getting the RIGHT system, when in fact there is NO PERFECT system, which often defeats the spirit of learning.

Kalau we CHOOSE to have a system, the government should decide whether to teach all the subjects in English or Malay.

Why?

- senang nak train cikgu2. takyah diorg pecah kepala jadi dua nak pahamkan Matematik in English and Malay
- senang nak ajar murid2. Bahasa sama, sistematik. Abih citer.

Any system is NOT PERFECT. So, in the end, siapa yang tak cakap kat rumah dalam bahasa yang diajar kat skolah will loose out.

Allowing multiple languages to answer UPSR paper is one way to promote learning than being language pros, but not without a cost. Imagine the teacher being biased because he/she understand the subject better in English than Malay?

I guess there is no such thing as free lunch.

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Ah… alas.. the topic I’ve been waiting for.

Aku pelajar UiTM. Universiti yang memperjuangkan bangsa Melayu (so to speak). Sedihnya, Universiti yang memperjuangkan bangsa Melayu ini gagal memartabatkan bahasa Melayu itu sendiri dimana kebanyakkan matapelajaran diajar di dalam Bahasa Inggeris.

Seperti mana yang telah dikatakan, “The Japanese can do it… the Germans can do it… why can’t we?” Adakah kita ini kurang pandai? atau malas? atau tak mahu berasa susah sebab kita terpaksa ’struggle a bit’ untuk bersaing dengan dunia globalisasi?

Isu ini bukan datang dari aku seorang, tetapi pernah diwar-warkan oleh seorang pensyarah bahasa di UiTM sewaktu sesi soal jawab dalam suatu forum yang dianjurkan di UiTM.

Secara peribadinya, aku rasa tak usah nak berbicara pasal soal ketuanan melayu (yg entah apa-apa) kalau bahasa melayu itu sendiri tidak dipraktikkan.

Maaf kalau ada yang tersinggung, tapi ini adalah pendapat peribadi aku.

(and… I’ve met quite a handful of people who are ashamed to speak Malay in public, apparently afraid to be called ‘org kampung’.)

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you said>pss: Alimuddin Md Dom was my head master. He talked about Edward de Bono and his many hats in our weekly assembly, of course I slept the entire speech.

bonggo said> u slept n heard all that at the same time? btw if your parents didn’t bother much abt your performance when it comes to LEARNING (not ACHIEVING As’ n craps) from your tender age…u may as well kiss bubhye to blissful future. it all starts from home..no offence to teachers but imho, they just come n teach, no desire to actually improve these poor souls (not talking bout english but other sbjcts as well) performnce. So to young punks who hppn to read this out there, do spank ur mom n dad if they couldn’t care less bout your younger bros/sis inabilities to absorb knowledge n what not. semuanya bermula dari rumah.

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ada byk baik buruknya belajar maths dan sains dlm english ni.

tapi aku suka dalam bahasa melayu.

senang faham.

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An interesting entry with many comments.

I’m not sure of what else to add but from my own observation, many rural students are not able to grasp the mathematical and scientific concepts in English. Thus, the point of creating a filter and elitism among Malaysians may be true.

Many teachers in general are not prepared to teach the subjects in English and hence the quality of the education received by the students is questionable indeed.

The strength of any language depends on how many people used it in daily life (I must add that people should not used ‘rojak’ language) and how determined are they to propel the language forward. If we are still bickering and remain indecisive on which language to use for teaching our future leaders, I doubt we will more forward in the future.

For Bahasa Malaysia to be a great language, the speakers have to believe in the strength of the language itself
-one of your silent readers-

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Honestly, the key ingredient to making any education system work is the TEACHERS/EDUCATORS……….and we seem to be sorely lacking that at the mo.

It doesn’t matter what language is being used to teach a subject, for I am a great believer that children will learn anything, as long as they are taught well.

How do you expect a non-English speaking student to learn English when the teacher is just as clueless (but somehow managed to secured a place in the public uni to do TESL) ?

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i wonder if you blog this issue in Malay..

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Education provided in different languages is as good as in English. But most books are written in English for higher education. Hence national language should not be an obstacle for deriving immense benefit of globalization.

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semua ni berlaku sbb sistem pendidikan kita takde hala tuju. mungkin ada. utk hasilkan golongan professional (atau ploteriat) seramai mungkin.

sistem pendidikan kita tak terlalu byk u-turn. bila u-turn tu mmg baring habis. kemudian, ditentukan pula oleh ahli politik bukan ahli akademik.

belajar dalam bahasa apa pun tak kisah. asal pemahaman pelajar tu 100%.

kalau cakap pelajar boleh tahu lebih banyak terms dalam bahasa inggeris tak guna jugak. tahu byk terms tapi mcm mana pulak pengguasaan tatabahasa. tahu terms tapi tak bleh buat ayat. susah jugak.

dari pemerhatian aku dah tiba masanya ada revolusi dalam sistem pendidikan kita. amik model Germany untuk pendidikan rendah dan menengah dan Amerika Syarikat utk pendidikan tinggi.

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what a bullshit u all malays talking,
government change the Science and math to english
is good for us as a student, because once we end secondary does BAHASA MELAYU used in University?
or else oversea? does those westerner speak you with BAHASA MELAYU??
why does us indian and chinese able to handle it with english? as well before this we chinese also done it excellent even in BAHASA melayu, so what the problem?

the answer is you all never try to get improve back move on backward

what a shame!!

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