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Don’t Meddle with Fatwa

The latest sizzling fatwa we have is “Pengharaman Pengkid” and “Pengharaman Yoga“. A few blogs have already published their thoughts on this matter, therefor, it’s my liberty to defend my stand.

Mosque Kuala Kangsar

Before I delve further into this topic, I suggest you read ImamKhalid’s explanation on mufti. I will not echo mufti’s role to prove my point.

When muftis agreed to ban pengkid and yoga, everyone wants a piece of the shattered glass. Truth is, you are meddling with Islam and you have no rights to tell me anything unless you’re huffing my grass.

If you’re a Chinese, you do not want to be sweeping the house during Chinese New Year (it’s like shoo-ing luck), similarly, if you’re a Hindu, it’s wrong to eat cow’s meat. Both are equally questionable. But your views may differ depending on ‘what’ you are.

Now my question, do you see us (Muslim) object these traditions/beliefs scrupulously? No. It’s your business and we respect that.

For Malaysians, race has always been a sensitive issue. Any distinctive odor of racist will surely ignite their subconscious genes. However, religion is a few pitch higher.

You are free to question the role of NEP, English as education medium, ISA or why no Gardenia bread in Sabah. Anything but religion. Why can’t you? Because you do not understand what’s it like to be in this shoe. I’m not saying it’s a burden, but one must embrace a religion as a whole and not sikit-sikit to grasp the concept.

Unlike the PM, mufti’s words are final and is only subjected to Muslim. So please fellow Muslims, understand that, Fatwa exists not to suppress your freedom, but to distinguish between right and wrong. Like it or not, you have to accept it, even if you think it’s written by a pious nerd.

And to non-muslim, please hold your punches. You don’t want me to be fondling your ma and likewise.

ps: I may have raised my voice, I meant every single word.

Written on 20 November '08 under Serious Matters
 

There are 73 Comments for “Don’t Meddle with Fatwa”

Don’t lose sleep over it brother. The kuffaar and the Islam Liberals will never stop questioning Islam until Islam is wiped out from the earth, but Allah s.w.t. will bring it to a completion, even though the disbelievers dislike it.

Wassalam.

- MENJ

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Nik Nasrul replied #1

agree.. kuffar and muslim have different view of daily activity that involved halal and haram in syarak.. dont ever questioning the rules of Islam..the firman from Allah s.w.t.. we have to obey it no matter what.. if dont..then dose and nerake come to us..

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Yusofhijau replied #1

Fatwa from the Majlis Fatwa should be treated with respect like Fatwa Pujangga.

In this modern day, it is funny that some group of men sitting together can think they have the answers to the world’s problem.

About pengkid, how does the Fatwa people intend to implement it in the states? Of course I like when girls wear skirts..the shorter the better! I too hate women in pants but the question is how do you determine that the person wearing the pants is a man or a woman?

The only way that JAIS or JAIP officers can determine it is by rubbing his crotch. If he can feels balls then he is a legitimate pants wearer.

If he feels smooth and indentation most likely the wearer is a Malay woman masquearading as a man!
Of course JAIS officers would prefer if she drops her pants to prove that she is a woman or a man..or Im getting confused myself.

Trust me, the taxpayers money have not been wasted millions paying the salaries of this knowledgable and pious Malayh men..

Luckily we have the internet…phew..pussies to last a life time…

Who have time to ponder whats beneath the pants these Malay women wear?

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menj wrote on November 20, 2008 #1

hmm . pengkid pun nak pertahankan hak mereka ya . ingat wanita saja . =)

*lalalalalalala*

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asx wrote on November 20, 2008 #2

We comment as we like. It’s our freedom.
You can choose to ignore us.
We are not bound by anything to stay silent if we feel like talking about it and calling it dumb…. :???:

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Someone as experience as you, would know where to stick your nose at. Please, Islam is Islam, Christian is Christian and Buddha is Buddha. Don’t go rojak-ing everything.

Remember, freedom of speech comes with great responsibility.

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Jed Yoong replied #1

Haiyah Noktah

Nowadays with Internet we just like to comment
Like I may say, not as a Christian, but just generally that the tomboy fatwa is dumb ‘cos it’s unlikely to curb the problem. Next pengkid underground clubs will be HOT?
Doesn’t mean that we want the Fatwa council to change its decision, etc.
Also it’s prob more advisable to explain such matters even to non-Muslims so that we can try to understand why our Muslim friends are subjected to such things.
Even if Muslims say Christianity is DUMB, false religion, etc, also can lah. It’s just freedom of expression.
Some Muslims have been spreading all sorts of info about Christians, budaya Barat, etc….
Can’t really stop them on the basis that ‘cos they are not “Christian”, they shouldn’t comment…Just comment from a Muslim perspective? And then we can also listen and maybe think some things are nonsense?
That’s my view.
:?:

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Jed, I meant to write to you soon but I was pretty much caught up with work.

Anyway, maybe I didn’t specify to whom I was referring to, my bad. I was actually ticked off when there’s some gathering questioning mufti’s decision, they were non-muslim. You could be right, that these non-muslim fought for their gfs.

It’s like dad-daughter thing. Dad says no. Then don’t do it or else you’ll be sleeping outside or reduce allowanced. In this case, dad = mufti, daughter being muslims, punishment = sin.

It’s a sin for muslim to spread hatred and false fact about others. I see no reason why muslims should champion Christian conversion (like the MJ conversion). Those kind of dakwah is totally unnessary. What does it prove? We are better than other religion? Please. Down right to the core, Islam is about submission to God.

If you ask other muslim, “why do they pray 5 times a day, when 1 is actually enough?” I’m sure not many can give you the right reason, including me. Then again like I mentioned above, it’s about submission. Giving your whole heart out without question. Like L-O-V-E, you don’t need a reason to love.

I do read the bible from time to time. Other than the basic ‘be good to others’, there’s is no new Do’s and Dont’s like fatwa. And I believe muslim don’t really like to comment about it, because we know very little about Christianity.

I will keep an eye on muslim meddling with other religions, mark my words.


Jed Yoong replied #1

But Noktah, if you are talking about overenthusiatic non-Muslim protestors STARTING some perjuangan then it’s a different story-lah.
Maybe this pengkid pahlawans has Muslim gfs so cannot do anything?
Not so black and white.
But I agree that change within Muslims should best come from within.
:grin:

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Azza replied #1

…the tomboy fatwa is dumb ‘cos it’s unlikely to curb the problem

then again if we sit on it it’s not as though it’ll go around solving itself now would it? it’s not the end result but rather the effort we put in towards changing something. although of course, i admit that in implementing something it is of utmost importance that it has to be effective in its practical sense , otherwise there really is no point in losing sleep over it to begin with.

the way i see it is that it has to begin somewhere. the fatwa would be a good starting point.

don’t accept it if you’d rather not, but it’s just plain courtesy to keep quiet and leave Islam be.

contohnya la Mr. Yoong: kalau kita nampak a prostitute crossing the street, we don’t go up to her and say: “Look! You’re a prostitute!” Why? Because while it may be true, it’s rude.

and the same goes to those Muslims who according to you, has been going around “…spreading all sorts of info about Christians, budaya Barat, etc….”. some opinions are just meant to be kept to oneself or restricted to debates among close friends who would find it in their hearts to remain non-judgmental, level-headed and profoundly patient in discussing such matters.

in the name of freedom of expression Mr. Yoong, i mean no harm. just an opinion :)

and NH, two of my favourite lines frm this entry:
I’m not saying it’s a burden, but one must embrace a religion as a whole and not sikit-sikit to grasp the concept.

Unlike the PM, mufti’s words are final and is only subjected to Muslim.

so, so true.

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Jed Yoong wrote on November 20, 2008 #3

well said.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

izzy of izyandex?

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Izzy wrote on November 20, 2008 #4

LOL.. yes.
shud i be signing my name izyandex now?

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NoktahHitam replied #1

More doctor stalkers are most welcome :roll: :razz:

Nah, doesn’t matter actually.

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Izzy @ izyandex replied #1

Hahaha.. That has a nice ring to it. (doctor, not stalker!) But just to keep the record straight, i’m neither one (yet).

Btw, i think the bulk of the problem lies in the fact that altho we claim we aren’t, Malaysia is actually pretty secular in its ways. Maybe that’s what we need to fix first. Islam should be a way of life, not just something we practice ritually because all our friends and families and neighbors do. And like you said “one must embrace a religion (Islam) as a whole and not sikit-sikit to grasp the concept.” It’s in the Qur’an (2:208) so that’s not really something to argue about.

And i think Mr Yoong made a very good point up there when he said change should start from within. If we can’t show them what true Muslims are, then really the blame falls on us, not them. It’s this ‘Masalah Ummah’ we really need to tackle, not the petty squabble about what you or i or he or she thinks is right.

At least that’s what i think.
And i really like this post. Thanks.

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Izzy @ izyandex wrote on November 20, 2008 #5

Those shattered-heart non-Muslims don’t have any specific knowledge on this matter. They speaks without thorough studies on Muslim, Fatwa, and all those things. They just heard the news on TV.

I personally believe, in order to give them better understandings, we need to prove them with our behavior and lifestyle, not to FORCE them to accept our fatwas whether they like it or not.

In other words, there’s still some holes to be patched here and there in our lifestyle, or otherwise they’ll easily give bad credits to Muslims.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

There are patches to be made. I’m glad I’ve been enlighten during my Umrah (I hope so, AMIN)

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ImamKhalid replied #1

This post is what I really meant. You’ve made a nice move, bro!

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lydiarayyan replied #1

i wasn’t taken a back when these kafirun ‘kepo-kepo’ with our thing…it’s not a first time anyway~~ :eek: :eek:

“I personally believe, in order to give them better understandings, we need to prove them with our behavior and lifestyle,”

but i think this is the hardest part….looking at the ummah nowadays…how much can we expect?….. :roll:

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Hence the hard way, Fatwa, since soft techniques doesn’t work anymore.

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ImamKhalid replied #1

The hardest part will give the best medicine for us, as well as for them, or die waiting others to take action.

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Yusofhijau replied #1

:grin: :grin: Face it, Lyddia raya, Malaysia is a secular nation. Look at the last election results, a homosexual is now the opposition leader. :lol: The Buddhist leftist Chinese is the government in Penang. :mad: A corrupt Malay is Mb in Selangor and pig farming is going big time in Perak and Selangor! :evil:

Nobody really wants Islamic theocracy like what the Fatwa people think, If Malaysians want ummah or addin they would have long voted for the fat Hadi party…but have they? No PKR and homosexuals and pengkids were voted in greater numbers.
:grin:
So with globalisations, arabic religious influence will wane.
You can moan all day about how if only, if only the malays are better muslims etc..etc then the ummah will be strong and the non-muslims will respect. But the truth even the malays dont want the restrictive arabic lifestyles if not they would have chosen PAS like in Kelantan under the skull cap MB.

What more we the internet groupies..we are so free to see what we want read what we want say what we want, the days of theocracy is over.. :up: :grin:

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ImamKhalid wrote on November 20, 2008 #6

just my 2 cents. from my humble opinion, there shouldn’t be a fatwa on this issue. in islam, male can’t dress or act like a woman and vice versa. it’s simple and there’s no doubt about it. but if they want to question the fatwa on yoga, i think that can be done though i don’t know about yoga that much. i only know that yoga is just an exercise. :roll:

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NoktahHitam replied #1

These boys (mufti) did THOROUGH studies on this. How thorough I do not know. But mufti is someone we HAVE to respect no matter what. He’s not like our father, he’s more than that. So if he said, haram, it’s haram then.

Sometimes fatwa crops out to fit modernization. It is mentioned in Quran, cross dressing is haram. Fatwa is just another way of reminding us of what NOT to do.

About yoga, I dont understand. But then again, refer to mufti, they know best. I studied engineering and like you IT. So we do not have the knowledge to go bouncing on their walls.

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sootsprite replied #1

yoga tu kalau tak silap i ritual dia atau ada la bnda2 yg recite masa yoga tu related to Hindu thingy
that’s why we cant practice it
even so, some might argue and say we can practice yoga w/o reciting benda2 tu
but the thing is muslim ni tak boleh “ikut-ikut” dan menyerupai (you know what i mean kn)

btw differ is the best ;)

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Sarah replied #1

sorry to disturb but here is my opinion. they have the right to strengthen this issue since the function of ijtima’ ulama’ is to remind the ummah and to explain the matter in clearer vision. it’s true that it is very clear stated in Al-Quran and As-Sunnah, cross dressing and all that counted are forbidden. but the nowadays ummah has slightly forget about it or maybe to be exact i can say, they dont take it as a serious thing to obey. therefore, the fatwas are necessary as a reminder to stress back over things that we have forgotten or dont care much at. the pengkid issue is a never ending story. the same goes for the homosexualism. therefore, we need the fatwas from the muftis to bring up the hukum to be familiarized in the public, to remind the muslims and to warn us, dont try to mess with Al-Quran and As-Sunnah. Once Allah decided to test us upon this issues, the whole community will be involved. not 1-to-1. oh, not to forget. in fiqh, we have this so called ranking whom should we refer to: 1) Al-Quran 2) Hadith 3) Qias 4) Ijtima’ ulama’. well, the muftis are the ijtima’ ulama’ that we should refer to in our current life.

Correct me if im wrong :)

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Yusofhijau replied #1

Sarah.. you are not wrong. only the questions to be asked is whether the Malays should lean on theocracy for the future.

All these while I thought Malaysia is a secular country with a constitution but the recent eagerness by these people in Fatwa to pass backdoor edicts on the malays doesnt augurs well for the Malays.

Natural we have natural respect for Muftis but they are after all government servants appointed by JPA.

They can pass opinions but these should not be enforced like what Syed Hamid has tried to do with the bin issue.

The Fatwa insist that Malays must use the bin or binti when the Arabs themselves will laugh at this stupidity. The Arabs have advanced like the European and Chinese to family names. And here the Malays going back to pre arabic times!! how stupid can that be?

Eg Osama bin Laden. The son is not obma bin Osama it is still bin Laden. Get it? Who says the fatwa guys are smart? They are orthodox and that is bad..bad for the malays…and malaysia.

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ImamKhalid replied #1

Just an additional 2 cents. The issue here is, why on earth would they bother about Muslims’ matter? Why would they bother going out having stupid riot around the city (I just watched the video)? Is there any mistakes the media made, any misreported thing that triggered them to act like that?

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|1f34|-|1r3 wrote on November 20, 2008 #7

Do you read about WOng CHun Wai’s thought on it?

http://thedandelions.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/wong-chun-wai-faces-off-lim-kit-siang-mahatir-faces-off-najib/

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Yes I did. So did Nik Aziz’s statement on that matter.

Religion and race are two different things. If temples are being demolished, investigate, what’s the root of cause? This is a physical matter, something that can be sorted out. On the other hand yoga and pengkid is beliefs, it’s a psychological issue. It needs to be addressed from within, ie Muslim themselves. Fatwas weren’t made over night, like how the gov had a 4 hour meeting to increase petrol price.

My point is, who are we to be questioning mufti? We did not study Islam as our core degree, masters or Phd.

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jingoisticbuthornydesperado wrote on November 20, 2008 #8

ermmm macam2 la skrg ni.. yang utama tak di utamakan.. masalah sedia ada pun tak selesai..

btw.. kenapa gardenia x ada d SABAH? i baru je tau pasal ni. hehehe..

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NoktahHitam replied #1

monopoly roti kot?

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jipo replied #1

ye ke? aku pon baru tau…haha
sori..padahal korg bincang pasal fatwa.

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taukey replied #1

kat sarawak pun takder gardenia. hehehehe

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arep wrote on November 20, 2008 #9

aku sedih la..dah 50 tahun merdeka pon ada yg xdpt bezakan bila boleh dan xboleh campur tangan dlm sesetengah hal.(hal agama,etc..)

betul tu..aku pon terpikir contoh yg sama bila hal ni berlaku. aku tak soal org india depan2 pon kenape xleh mkn daging lembu? mcm mana nk dpt zat dr lembu tuh? xboring ke mkn ayam,ikan?etc..dan org Cina kenape pakai merah je bila tahun baru cina?,betul ke leh bagi tuah,etc.. sbb mmg offensive dan dah mmg itu kepercayaan/agama diorg,kena hormati la.

sama la dgn fatwa ni,hormati je la.

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Yusofhijau replied #1

Jipo ko sedih tak bertempat.. :grin: :lol: :arrow:

Kalau ko sedih Anwar IBrahim homosexual jadi ketua pembangkang ketua segala pengkid hehe takpe juga.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :$:

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jipo wrote on November 20, 2008 #10

why no Gardenia bread in Sabah? erk. cam ade je. yg tokei die kna bang kat umah aritue. :cry:

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Sweet Thinker replied #1

lg pun gardenia sabah siap ade kuarkan air berkarbonat. mane sabahan neh? akoo rs ade la.

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Sweet Thinker wrote on November 20, 2008 #11

wahaha. akoo google lg. nyata satu brand tp ingredients and recipes yg berbeza. hoho. k lah bai. komen x approve pun xpe kat atas. :???:

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Sweet Thinker wrote on November 20, 2008 #12

Muftis cannot be challenged? That’s not helping the religion no? By not allowing discussions? Mufti is just an interpreter or expounder of Islamic law (sharia). They do make mistakes. What about fatwa on Salman Rushdie?

The term ‘mufti’ literally means the giver of fatwas. His job is to issue fatwas, in other words the rules to be observed by the Muslim community.

Isn’t there a hadith of the Prophet pertaining to ignorant muftis, those who misguide and lead others astray by issuing wrong fatwas (not founded upon knowledge)?

Correct me if I am wrong, Islam is the religion of knowledge and reason. “No religion”, says the Prophet, “to one who has no reason”.

Hence, the seeking of knowledge is the first and foremost obligation for every Muslim, man and woman, as long as he or she is alive. That being the case, how is it possible for mankind to accept the leadership of a person whose grasp of reason and knowledge are questionable?

ps: I want to see fatwa on ISA, or is it of less importance than yoga and tomboy issues?

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NoktahHitam replied #1

I would love to see that fatwa as well.

Muftis, not just a mufti. Long ago in the turks, there used to an open discussion on fatwa. The debate was so intense they had to take it out of their system, because it might shatter ones belief.

It’s kind of like ‘was-was’ thing, if you’re in doubt, obscure, it’s haram until proven halal.

No offense bong, but it’s quite hard to argue about this matter. I’m a muslim, I don’t do yoga or a pengkid and you’re neither one of them too. So let it slip and jump to the next topic, why no gardenia in sabah and sarawak?

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bongkersz replied #1

Not sure dude, not a roti-guy. Hmm.. No Gardenia in Sarawak? This time I go back I check :D

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jipo replied #1

“So let it slip and jump to the next topic, why no gardenia in sabah and sarawak?”

haha..that’s funny!

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Yusofhijau replied #1

Hehehe good one.. Bongkers .kena kan these orthodox people …actually they dont know the religion themselves thats why they depend on muftis..but these muftis are just salaried gov servants..who knows what sexual leanings some of them have..? They are not maksum. :lol: :grin: :evil:

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Yusofhijau replied #1

Hehehe good one.. kena kan di orthodox people …actually they dont the religion thats why they depend on muftis..but these muftis are gov servants..who knows what sexual leanings some of them are..?

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nono replied #1

yoga, and tomboy issue – it is all about muslim’s akidah. it isnt a less important issue. for one to be a good muslim, religion comes first before anything.

bong, you wont understand..

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bongkersz wrote on November 20, 2008 #13

out of topic, but noktahhitam.com is worth USD8979 with daily page review of 3434.

…according to http://www.websiteoutlook.com

hehe.

by the way, i second this topic.

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irfan wrote on November 20, 2008 #14

I have notice that most muslims today have no respect for our ullamas just because they have different thoughts from us – when the truth is we are the one who have a very low understanding about Islam compare to the ulammas. In Islam, if Allah says it is haram, then it is haram and you should/must unquestionably accept the order. One may question it but do not exceed the limits. Exceeding the limits by means, just to satisfy yourself for the sake of yourself.

Talking about fatwas. Before the ullamas came out with any fatwas, they’ve look at all symptoms and compare it with the best cure with the least side affects which is NOT based on logic but Qiyas (decision made by all ullamas guided by Quran, and Hadith and other related references). So it is really important to understand why it is said to be haram before you argue. For Muslims, if it is regarding to Islam, do not simply use your logic blindly without referring to Hadith and Quran. And for the non-Muslims, fatwas are regulated to the Muslims and I don’t think the non-Muslims should say something about it. Lets the expertise do their job… ;)

Good post NH!

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Yusofhijau replied #1

Hmm Nono.k thats an interesting pseudonym…it may mean nothing in sarawak of course but it means a lot to a malay man :grin: :lol: :lol:

Too bad about people dont have respect for ulamas anymore.. it is the way things are now. Everyone is an expert and we with google at our fingertips is more knowledgable than any pc illiterate ulamas..we see more things..more exciting things..of course… :grin: :razz: :razz:

It is time for a real change as Barack Obama will say. Time for change has come! :lol:

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nono replied #1

pardon… cant get you. what do you mean by it may mean nothing in sarawak of course but it means a lot to a malay man… ?

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nono wrote on November 20, 2008 #15

I guess Malaysias are generally a very kepoh group. We (all races) like to hear a bit of scandal and gossip and cant help giving our 2 cents in every issue.

Respect is whats lacking here.

p/s: There IS gardenia bread in Sabah. was there for 7 yrs.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Or was it Sarawak? I can’t remember :P

My last visit to Sabah was 8 years ago. Boy, I sure miss out a lot.

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IcedNyior wrote on November 20, 2008 #16

aku bersyukur tuan punya blog berfikir sama cam aku. islam adalah penyelamat bukan agama yang memberi burden kepada penganutnya. islam datang straight from Allah what? don’t mess up with HIM ok. x cukup lagi ke nikmat yang DIA bagi untuk malaysia as a whole neh?

for non muslims, pleaseX3 do not interfere in our religion matter. hak asasi? pigi mampus. that is man-created so called “religion”. not meant to be followed.

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hijau replied #1

Affuan..hak asasi pigi mampus…hehe ko ni ekstremis ugama islam betul ye….syabas…or puas.. :evil: ko dgn penulis blog ni sama je..hipokrits..hehe..

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affuan replied #1

berani kerana benar beb. islam duk nombor 1, tiada yang dua atau tiga. hipokrit tu untuk org yang beri komen anonymous jek. aku x sebab aku berani expose diri sendiri. hehe.

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bongkersz replied #1

Jangan buat lawak la. Dalam Islam, bukan hak seseorang itu amat dipelihara? Sebab itu tiada perhambaan dalam Islam. (contoh jer..).

Hak asasi, perlu mengikut lunas-lunas agama Islam. Itu aku setuju.


MK replied #1

hak asasi manusia kerap kalinya disalahgunakan oleh Barat untuk membenarkan apa yang salah. baca: disalahgunakan.

call us hypocrite? then you are a coward, mr anonymous.

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affuan wrote on November 20, 2008 #17

firstly, i totally agree with you that non-muslims should not “menyibuk” with matters pertaining to islam. plase do not confuse with race, culture, superstitions and religion. oh yes, i love your weird english.

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limseng wrote on November 20, 2008 #18

secara keseluruhan tak guna nak kecoh-kecoh, perlu lihat pada diri sendiri juga. sejauh mana tanggungjawab yang kita telah jalankan.

bagus bro, berani! bukan cakap kosong, benda berasas. semuanya telah dijelaskan di dalam quran. cuma fahaman sahaja yang berbeza, itu yang menyebabkan salah faham!

ps : sorry NH, mlm td lupa nak komen wahaha

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megat wrote on November 20, 2008 #19

i went to a ceramah the other day at the surau. an ustaz once quote:

“muslims in this country has misconceptions about islamic debates. actually it’s a healthy practice and enriches knowledge. most of us just ‘accept’ fatwas etc. although i disagree a lot with mufti perlis’ views, i still respect his knowledge in hadith studies. the only problem is that hadith is raw form of some hukum (if ada) and we need syariah to intepret it properly. in al-azhar mesir, debates about fatwas are very, very common. unlike here, anyone who challenges fatwas or slightly extreme are condemned.”

that is what we lack in our current belief system i suppose.

when i was working in my ex-firm, by ex-boss used to ask me about islam. and i quote the general understanding of certain concepts he was enquiring about (he’s a pious protestant btw). what struck me dumb was:

“the problem with muslim these days they do not know the real source of their rules (i.e. hukum). as a muslim u should be able to quote certain recitations on fundamental beliefs of islam at least.”

i argued that i don’t really master arabic, so to hafal made it very difficult.

he answered “our original bible is in aramic. no excuse for that.”

when i was studying in Australia, debate between Christianity and Islam was also done in uni, openly but controlled environment. questions on faith/fatwas/hukums etc are being collected in a box and discussed as well.

so responsible debates are healthy. condemnations are not.

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hijau replied #1

Milli vanilli. you hit it right on the head when u said ” i argued that i don’t really master arabic, so to hafal made it very difficult.”

Islam is from the Arabs so is christianity, from the middle east. When the romans empire ruled, the romans sent middle east soldiers to england and vice versa to ensure loyalty. that was how christianity was spread to the european. then the european and the arabs embark on a crusade on each other each believing their religion was superior.

That is how 911 happened..the arabs still wanted to crusade against the europeans they killed 3,000..now in us. And the europeans retaliated by killing 1 millions arabs in iraq.

If u bear that in mind and remembers that u are malay first..and arab second then u wont be confused.

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mlle linie wrote on November 20, 2008 #20

:grin: assalamualaikum.. sokong 100%

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ajojo wrote on November 21, 2008 #21

Setuju.. Hormatilah keputusan mufti..
Ada sebab musabab yang telah dikaji oleh mereka yang bertauliah.. Kalau tak hormat mereka camne nak tegakkan agama… Wallahualam

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zool wrote on November 22, 2008 #22

Its simple. Tapi ramai orang merumitkan keadaan. Dah tu kerja mufti. Ok apa mengingatkan pasal benda ni. Kang orang kata mufti tak wat keje plak. Aii.. :???:

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titan wrote on November 23, 2008 #23

All non-muslims stop meddle with fatwa. And all muslims stop meddle with hinduism-related yoga!

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Oh my, how exactly can a muslim stop meddle with hinduism yoga? Fatwa said no. That’s it.

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Yusofhijau replied #1

Majlis Fatwa would have done better to issue edicts percentage of Hindus should not be increased in the Malay
Civil Service hahaha..

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limseng wrote on November 23, 2008 #24

hehe..bangga dengan masjid ubudiah jadi logo…hidup kuala kangsar :lol:

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Faiz wrote on November 24, 2008 #25

setuju sgt, pantang sungguh aku org Islam yg mempertikaikan mufti.

kepada yg rasa dia bagus sgt dari mufti, ingatlah mereka adalah pewaris nabi..tobatlah wei

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lankapo wrote on November 26, 2008 #26

Fatwa selalunya diklasifikasikan sebagai ‘decree’ maknanya belum jadi satu hukum.

Selepas sesuatu perkara dah jadi fatwa. ia perlu melalui proses ijma.

Selepas Ijma baru sesuatu fatwa menjadi hukum.

dalam hal pengkid malaysia jer baru bincang. kena tunggu ulama negara lain dulu.

dalam hal yoga. mesir dan beberapa negara arab dah bincang dan ada dikeluar fatwa. jadi persoalan sekarang adakah pengharaman yoga dah jadi Ijma dan dah jadi satu hukum.

perkara haram-mengharamkan dan fatwa ni byk grey area mcm kes pengkid tuh. jadi ikut akal la.

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