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Behind Obama, United States and Malaysia

First and foremost, I’d like to pay utmost respect to Obama on winning the presidency seat. (So which desk did you pick?)

Barrack Obama

We’ve heard and read so many stories about him, online or offline. Me? I couldn’t care less about his campaign. Politicians, they all echo the same thing, Change. It’s the marketing strategy that grants you the upper hand. Obama went super viral.

Few days ago, I had a small teh tarik session. The topic varies from politics to jokes. One of the thing that pulls my attention was this statement.

Obama is the first black president, why can’t Malaysia have a non bumi PM?

I can’t help but ponder why would anyone ring that kind of question. Are you power hungry? Racist? Performance driven?

Independence. For starters, United States had her Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain1. Malaysia, August 31, 1957. Do you see how big of a gap is that? Americans have matured, Malaysian, still in our teeny years.

3rd World Country. America is a developed country. Malaysia is a developing country.

Language barrier. American has English as their mother tongue. Malaysia has at least 4. Unless you’re willing to forfeit your mother tongue and speak Malay (National Language) day in day out. Nobody will have a problem communicating.

Education System. Our education system is so diverse and racist to begin with. Why do we have vernacular school? Are we scheming something for the greater goods? We don’t like our kids mixing around? Perhaps we think we’re noble compared to others. We seriously need to halt segregating our ethnics and devote ourselves to one race, Malaysian.

The Bumiputera Injustice. They (long gone politicians) promised to spread evenly the wealth of Malaysia. Unfortunately, do you see how natives of East Malaysia struggle in their daily lives? How many contracts have been awarded to same company over and over again, cronies? You tell me.

Civic Minded. We claim to be polite, caring and loving but are we? Try greeting a complete stranger and see how they respond. Not to mention, polluting every litter possible, not talking to neighbors and putting a hardened face in public places. We are not considerate enough.

One American Live. Have you watched an American war film, does it bother you they can kill anyone just to save an American? It shows how dearly they think of each other. Malaysians..? Cincai lo, die, die la.

It’s all about money and quality living. Let Obama run and worry about his country. We have our children’s future to worry about. So don’t go putting your nose where it doesn’t belong, it smells awfully wrong.

ps: Let’s do something about racism in Malaysia!

pss: Before you brand me a racist, let me assure you, I am performance based. If you don’t perform, then you’re out.

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There are 71 Comments for “Behind Obama, United States and Malaysia”

Glad you took the time to put it in a coherent form. The gist of it I suppose would be like comparing apples with oranges.

And I have been thinking, African (suffix that with American) aren’t natives to the US, and neither are the Saxons-decendant-Whites. So, in a roundabout kind of way, the situation isn’t even comparable in the tiniest sense at all.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

I forgot to mention our sultanate system.

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snv wrote on November 12, 2008 #1

setuju! derang dok sibuk pasal cerita negara luar sedangkan kat negara sendiri masih terkontang kanting. dok seronok cerita negara luar sedangkan dinegara sendiri masih ramai yang menderita.

ntahlah apa dah memang turun temurun macam ni ke apa!?

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megat wrote on November 12, 2008 #2

Speechless…

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DSvT wrote on November 12, 2008 #3

yups. performance-based.
“i won’t tolerate with people who can’t work smart to perform. if you do work towards more performance, you stay. if you stay only at where you are, and you said that you’re done. you’re out, baby, you’re out!”
hehe, thats me :D

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abdusfauzi wrote on November 12, 2008 #4

well, it is good to see how a white country can accept a black leader namely the head of the country as well as the world. if we watch those Western movies, we will always see this phrase’ Hey, this is White area’ , ‘ You are not White, you are not entitled to have this privillege’ or ‘ you..Black..stay away!’.

In Malaysia, we dont really differentiate one’s religion.. hey you malay do this, you chinese do that… I would say the modern and educated ppl (at least university status) can accept well the bangsa Malaysia concept., means every1 is Bangsa Malaysia..any any Bangsa Malaysia can be PM or whatever post without looking to your background..

However, sadly to see that there are major group of so called ‘ lower education status’ and ‘old hard core elderly’ that hold strongly to the religion and very particular in the word supremency. My race must be dominate in this… that race can only do this and that only.. that race must ask our race first.. this is our land..

Those who live in kampung basically are easily affected by those mentioned elderly or politicians. They are easily ‘agitated’ to fight against any unusual phenomenon that they think can affect their supremency..

For example, the appointment of a Chinese woman to head PKNS. What is PKNS? What is the objective? The main thing is to stimulate business and income to the people. Does it tell u that a Malay must head the company even thought the company is meant for helping bumiputra? Tan Sri khalid for instance is a Malay that I admired. He judged a person based on quality and performance and not skin colour. Can you tell me any Malay that can replace her 33 years experience in PKNS? Knowing the Malay sentiment is so strong, he already said it is for temporary until a next suitable person of the preferred Malay can be found. But looks what happen to our ppl so called Malaysia Boleh, condemning Mr MB acts and make protests. What kind of low class mentality is that??

Pak Lah said any 1 can become PM. IF to judge based on his capability, seriously, u, me or any1 also can become PM and replace him. But if you were to say a Chinese or an Indian to take the top post.. haih.. IMPOSSIBLE..

Example? Look at Perak. By number of seats, DAP shall take the administration head. Before they could think further, there are lots of protesters, wanna make memorandum and send to the King. How well can you live with a malay MB? Will you die under Chinese MB? Will your soul get agitated with a Chinese MB?

Therefore, I salute all Americans for making this history of the world. Shame on Malaysia in terms of we are multi racial country but when come to this issue, multiracial can never prevail but only ONE race is allowed to dominate.

Malaysia can only achieved Vision 2020 if every1 of us take the call to accept the Bangsa Malaysia.. I am proudly to say I am Bangsa Malaysia.. I dont mind who head the country as long as he or even SHE do not make our ppl suffer from inflation, hike in daily expenses or no job/property. (example: THE CURRENT MALAYSIA)

wonder why my comment so long…i had wanted to make this post but i have no time.. so, i prefer to leave comment..

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Early in your comment you got religion and race messed up. I’m guessing you were talking about race.

As for Perak, it’s the Sultan who decides whom to be their MB, be it Malay, Chinese & India. We cannot question his authority. Even if DAP won all the seats contested in Perak, if the Sultan does not condone, you can’t do anything about it.

Like I said in my first point, 200++ years of multi-racial community. We recently celebrated 50 years last year. Society needs time to mature, age and adhere to new concepts. We cannot force in one night. It may not happen in the next coming years, but I hope the time will come, at least in this life.

Both, you and me, could only envy Americans of their newly etched history. But seriously, American needs a paradigm shift. Someone from the ghetto could provide them just that.

ps: Thanks for the long comment! :grin: :arrow:

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malay replied #1

“Therefore, I salute all Americans for making this history of the world. Shame on Malaysia in terms of we are multi racial country but when come to this issue, multiracial can never prevail but only ONE race is allowed to dominate.”

Kwang you are a pathetic Chinese. You are also an ignoramus. Before you start saluting Americans for electing a half black man you should salute UMNO and Malaysia for electing a half Chinese man as the President of UMNO and the PM of Malaysia.

The Malays are well known for their generosity and lack or racism. Pak Lah is half Chinese when he was elected PM his family from Hannan cameover and reported in the STAR.

But Pak Lah, like Obama embraced the local culture and fight and think of himself as Malay first.

Look closely at Pak Lah eyes…yes they are sepet because he is half Chinese!

It is ignorant Chinese like you who are ungrateful for the your american dreams in Malaysia that is run by the Malay Civil Service as developed country so that it grows and grows.

Only Malays grant citizenship in the millions..Idi Amin send all the Indians packing to England.

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KwOnG FeI replied #1

yo.. noktah hitam aka black dot..i begin to like your blog as i believe open discussion is very healthy when we discuss any issue.. r u doin any link exchange?

to reply to ‘malay’…aiyo… apa punya pemikiran yg TAK LOGIK langsung…

ok..dis is from wikipedia:

Abdullah Badawi was born in Kepala Batas, Penang to a prominent religious family. His father, Ahmad Badawi, was a prominent religious figure and UMNO member. Badawi’s paternal grandfather is Syeikh Abdullah Badawi Fahim, who was one of the founding members of Hizbul Muslimin, later known as PAS. Syeikh Abdullah Badawi Fahim was also a famous nationalist and first mufti of Penang after Independence.His maternal grandfather, Ha Su-chiang (also known as Hassan), was a Chinese Muslim who came from Sanya in Hainan.

wat a joke to tell me he is a half chinese..even though it is, what so big deal with it?? haiz.. malay (you) memang malay..i think you are quite racist~

kawan.. Pak Lah grandfather is Muslim and his maternal grandfather is a chinese converted muslim. So?? First of all, I do not know whether Pak Lah had ever seen his maternal grandfather. He is known to ALL Malaysians except YOU that he is a Muslim and practises Islam. We all know how great his father as a religious figure and his grandfather who was the key player in PAS formation.

Have ‘malay’ (you..plz use other name , i do not want to be misunderstood to say malay race) being told he has EVER practice ANY Chinese tradition before? From his family background, it is well known that he is also a religious person as well. Thats is one of extra point why Tun Mahathir had choosen him as he has strong faith in his religion compared to any others. He is expected to serve the Muslim community well. Did we ever see in the newspaper he celebrated Chinese New Year and go back China to visit his ancestors? Joker la you..PLZ ASK TUN MAHATHIR OR ANY UMNO LEADERS about their generousity in choosing a half Chinese to become a PM.. they will laugh for their whole life! Do you ever think his so called chinese background as u claimed has any influence in choosing him as PM.. r u a kindergarten kids? I shall post this and ask Chedet.

Now, when I saw your comment, i found it totally irrelevant~ Thats y i find time to reply you.
‘But Pak Lah, like Obama embraced the local culture and fight and think of himself as Malay first. Look closely at Pak Lah eyes…yes they are sepet because he is half Chinese! ‘

Think of himself as Malay first? Well, has he think of a Chinese ever before in his life? It will be definitely NO… looking to his background and u tell me he put his identity as Malay first is a totally out of the question and God ..WHAT A JOKE! He has been a Malay since he was born.. brother.. and he is following well his father in terms of faith in Islam..

he is sepet because he is a half chinese? What r you trying to say? R u making a racist statement?

‘The Malays are well known for their generosity and lack or racism’. Well, I agreed Malay are generous as in general.. i do have Malay friends and i know well that..but to say there is lack of racism i totally disagreed referring to the UMNO politician..eg ahmad ismail.
Brother..see my post CLEARLY… i didnt say malay are racist.. the dominance i mentioned if u evaluate it carefully is all about the Malay politican..(u know which party) that ‘mengapi-apikan’ semangat perkauman within their OWN race.. there is a difference.. plz take note..

‘..Malaysia that is run by the Malay Civil Service as developed country so that it grows and grows.’. Brother.. do you have Chinese friends? If you dun have, dun be racist..start knowing some.. good for your soul.

R u claiming that Malaysia are developed country because it is run by Malay civil service? What a totally IGNORANT views! R u living in a cave? Do you know that the system that have been practised by some party has caused to the civil servants to be dominated by a certain race.. Bro.. do you know not what is happening in our country to non Malays.. Double standard is being practised. There are a lots of lower social class of non Malays that wanted to join the civil service but their rights have been denied as in double standard is being practised. Dun believe me..go ask any adult non Malays.. is either ur application is rejected or they give you a post that you dont want or more prominently they sent you to a place far away from your choice. Thats is why there is poor enrollment in the civil servant. You want example. LEt me tell you a real case. This apply to the Immigration and JPJ department. A chinese driving coach was telling me.. for years we chinese have been applying to the job at JPJ but our application has been denied. HAve you see any non malays officer in JPJ or immigration…as for me, i haven seen before..if yes.. it is countable numbers.. dun simply blame without figuring some facts.. it show how ignorant r you..

i strongly keep my finger cross that Malaysia one day can achieve Bangsa Malaysia by eliminating some racist sentiment as shown by you (malay again not malay race’). we can only achiee the best for the country and for our ownselves should we think liberally and be open minded. Do not too care of supremency.

tq.. plz do not reply me with another silly joke.. i cant tahan~

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Don’t worry, I’m always open for discussion, as long as it’s related to the topic.


KwOnG FeI wrote on November 12, 2008 #5

“I couldn’t careless about his campaign”…typo kot kat situ…
performance based ek? berapa KPI ko ni ?

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NoktahHitam replied #1

satu spacebar je differentiate the word. Dang. Thanks for the heads up.

I dont have a KPI. I don’t believe things on paper. You can be a straight A student yet be very subtle, making it hard for employer to utilize your talents.

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|1f34|-|1r3 wrote on November 12, 2008 #6

Obama winning is not only because of somebody ‘out of the ordinary white’ becoming the president of US. If we look only at that, then of course lah we also asked whether the similar thing can happen in our country. :lol:

If we see that the win proves whoever can lead in the perception of the people can ultimately win the presidential election, we may start thinking, and asking whether our system back home can produce ppl who can lead? also produce people who can manage to conquer the perception of ppl into believing that he/she can lead? (read = good leaders/politicians )

also, we must also look at how open the political scene was along the campaign trail. presidential debates, open-air campaigns…

to remind, they did not play race issues as important as economic issues. here we get, Undi MCA = Undi UMNO? Its time to look beyond race and look at the value everybody can add to our beloved country. :XO:

p/s: agree with you. we have to do sumthing about racism in Malaysia.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

In my opinion, Obama won a popularity contest not presidency. Between McCain and Obama, who has style? who got class? who’s got the touch? and most importantly, who looks good? Hands down Obama.

Most Americans I know dont give an F about their president. Maybe I’m stuck in a wrong circle.

A leader and a politician is 2 different thing. A leader gets elected by the people. A politician sends a form then get elected.

A leader leads, a politician talks.

Fleets work for leaders, politicians work for the people.

Dont go mixing a sacred word with an oily one :eek: :lol:

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hilman replied #1

ya loh..

if we view the win as not the win for presidency, but a popularity contest, then its a so different story.

i actually wanted to write leaders, but then, i think those who can convince with cheap talks must be a politician. but there’s some cases, they are extraordinary leaders who can bring people together. Therefore there’s that “/”.

but, true, can’t mix both though. but in reality, there’s so many politicians and you just can’t tell which is a leader among them.

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bongkersz replied #1

I must disagree with this. Obama sticks with the issues he advocates and not flip flopping, he didn’t strive on petty issues like Mc Cain, overall he’s pretty consistent throughout the campaign. Of course, the economy situation and his unlimited funds helped him a lot. I doubt he wins because of popularity contest. Then again, we all know.. how this world works – stupid leaders get elected, and so called ‘smart’ people bitch about their leaders afterwards. :arrow:

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hilman wrote on November 13, 2008 #7

good points. we have a long way to go. some people shout about wanting to be equal and yet they speak a language that not all of us can understand and they put their children in schools of their choice for their own reasons and still they complain that some other races are racist…

I rather live with a hippo than a hypocrite…

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shaxx wrote on November 13, 2008 #8

being malaysian for more than 23 years now i finally had a chance to (sort of) take a peek on how life is over there in the States when my class had an international student from chicago.

she told me that in her school there was not much racism (well… at least what she can see) in the first place as there are only ONE school system for the whole state. the difference is that you either go to a school that has an awesome facility or a crappy-ass one. the choice is yours (or at least your parents’).

next, i do agree malaysia is a developing country. thus, the scatter of development is somehow not thorough and this can be seen in the east section of malaysia whereby there are still places that are not properly developed. talk about wawasan 2020, right? i know its kinda corny to just simply blabber about it but then again if the ratio of development is not evenly distributed, then how can you claim malaysia to be a developed country? right?

thirdly. about the crony-ism (is this a valid word ~ unsure…) that seems to still spread like cancer within our society. its so embedded that i think its somehow safe for me to say that its kinda racist. this ethnic only gives/passes on the tender to the same ethnic regardless if the firm can or cannot complete the project. its kinda pathetic. then if they are unable to comply with the contract, fingers started to be pointed here and there. my brother (who is a QS btw…) states that this has made his life much harder as those people who works under this firm who got ‘bambu’, not the big ‘taiko’ who seal the deal in the first place.

malaysia, truly asia?

perhaps one day.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Crony practice is not something abnormal. If you were in the position of power, you’d certainly understand when people nags for business all the time. You give them some, they want more. A firm no is needed to set the foot down.

Crony is not ethnic based. Pak Lah gives contracts to Patrick Lim. They are crony, but different ethnic and race. I referred to crony because of the injustice subdue towards bumiputera. Example below;

I supply PC, you supply PC. I always supply PC to gov and you dont. In the long run, your company will fade away. That’s the kind injustice I want to point out.

Sometimes, government wants to direct nego. Reason being, they like you and the kind of image you brought for them. Even if you can’t do it, they still want you to do it. If you denied, bid farewell to your future contracts.

I can go on and on about crony, but I think it’s enough for today.

ps: boy, hold you punches before you get to look at the real world. You might have second thoughts :kiss: :smile: :wink:

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shandye wrote on November 13, 2008 #9

yeh.
i guess i never view it thoroughly first before said anything.
my bad.
need to learn more, gain more and experiece more in life i supposed.
but hey…
i do want some changes in our education system…

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Dont get me wrong boy, Im not correcting your views. Im just concerned. You know how people can google anyone these days. Maybe one day a big fat cheque will wait for you(rezeki), but you cant take it because of the words you said.

I very much want to change our school system. 100% pure Malay language. Mandarin and Tamil will be offered in secondary school so everyone gets to learn and write other’s language. English is for english. Not for science or math. It’ll only confuse them.

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Adila replied #1

what’s wrong with english for science or math?
confuse them? i don’t think so
science or math in malay? how far can we go with that?
whether we like it or not, we have to change to english in learning those in uni anyway
so, why not start early?

100% pure Malay language is good
but.. that’s something to think of (which in my opinion, better learning science or math in english)

you’ve been there yourself, right?
was it easy for you to suddenly change to english when all your life you’ve been learning science or math in malay?
well.. it was hard for me. i had to struggle!

that is why, i totally agree for science or math in english
it makes life easier
better struggle now and let them get used to it rather than struggle when they’re older
kids could easily digest new things faster than an adult

p/s : we’re not THAT polite.. but for me, since we have all the adat sopan sort of things, we are consider as polite
it’s only that we’re a bit kasar :P that’s just it

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NoktahHitam replied #1

A short one from me.

University is for smart people. Period. We dont want to be the next India, having a degree, but drives a taxi. We dont want to have too much supply of professionals.

Yes, it was hard for me to convert everything in English. But I am smart, thats why I went to a university. To me, language is a barrier, a filter, if you cant pass that, then better off being a hard labor.

You probably have never tried teaching a non-English-speaking-student math or science. In truth, they have to understand 2 times, the english and the science or math. They end up not understanding anything. If it was in Malay, they’d only have to understand the science/math behind it, 1 time.

I would prefer a smarter world, University for overly smart and for my car mechanics to understand how “fotosintesis” work (sains in Malay).


Tyra replied #1

Sometimes i just don’t get it what’s wrong of learning science and math in Malay. It doesn’t make us less stupid later on. it’s just language. If you are good at one particular subject, no matter what language you use in your education system, it doesn’t make that quite differences.

During my schooling years, I was taught in Malay for science and math. When got into Matriculation programme, the language used for biology and math is english. I don’t think it made much differences at all. I can still study.

I had a friend in Matriculation. Her english was really terrible and dreadful. nevertheless, because she’s good at the subjects being taught back in school. which were taught in Malay (math, chemistry and biology), she can do it and excel with high CGPA. it’s all about determination.

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Adila replied #1

learning in malay doesnt make us stupid
but you know… go with the flow
the terms are different
why should we learn twice of the same thing?
there are more resources out there in english rather than malay

i myself learnt science and math in malay
yes obviously we can convert whatever we’ve learnt in sci and math to english if we are determine to do it
but then, why do we need to do the same thing twice?

learn in malay as the basic, then change to english once enter uni
and forever will use english for those
so, what’s the use of learning in malay in the beginning?

p/s : if uni is for smart people, ok fine. what do you think about having english school and malay school separately like in the old days?
isn’t that like.. specify you, right from the beginning which path you’re gonna go and what you’re gonna be in the future

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NoktahHitam replied #1

I don’t think you learn them twice, it’s only a matter of translation. Grab a dictionary and you’re well off on your own.

I agree with you that there are more resources in English. But how does that position countries like German, Japan and France? They speak their own language, obviously a lot less resources than English. In fact, you have to learn their language to enter their uni.

I want everything in Malay because I want Malaysians to uplift Malay language.

If let’s say the next generation adhere to all English format. The gov sector will have to reform as well, using English as their main language. Who then will use Malay as a medium since we know almost every private sector uses English? Malay as bahase pasar? Only as dialect to speak with the elders?

While we’re on the hunt to embrace globalisation, I foresee this another form of invasion. Invasion of language.

Adila, I’ve seen kids giving up on science and math because they couldn’t understand what the teacher was blurting out in front of the class. English seems TOOO foreign for them.

In the old days, you need to take exams to enter an English school. Not only you have to pass English, but you have to be intelligent as well. It’s a filter. During those days, English school was established by British. It was way beyond our power.

I think I should write a persuasive post on this.


bongkersz replied #1

I am looking forward for the post as I have the same stance in that. Problem is when we do thing half-baked, each and every time. Changing the language like changing diapers, everytime there is a noise from so called ‘champion of this and that language’. Stick to one, improve and enforce. Japanese, Korean, German and many countries that you already mentioned are not using English as their main language but still they are successful.

ps: I would like to see if you will hammer in on the role of Malay linguists – DEB, intellectuals, etc. to uplift the national language.

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shandye wrote on November 13, 2008 #10

I honestly don’t mind any race to be a Malaysian leader as long as he/she is honest, fair and sensitive to the multiracial aspects of things.

He/she also has be strong to take the set backs from changes he’ll make.

How do you find someone who is unbiased and objective? Now THAT is the difficult part.

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mlle linie replied #1

excuse my grammar :P

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mlle linie wrote on November 13, 2008 #11

You scored some huge points there NH!

Although it is NOT AT ALL IMPOSSIBLE to have a non-bumi PM, that is least the case. Why does people feel it is important to have a non-bumi PM rather than to have a PM with good leadership? Theoretically, if we have a non-bumi PM, there would be some reformation in the government and how culture, religion and race are perceived, but it is THEORETICALLY.

And NO, you’re not racist. So, what shall we do with all those people who calls you racist? (since they ARE racist!) :roll:

p/s: I am NOT racist too. :lol:

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atreyu strange wrote on November 13, 2008 #12

:neutral: Aku sependapat dengan kau. Masa menentukan semua ni. Aku tak kisah saper yang jadi PM. Tapi yang pasti org Melayu akan risau kalau bangsa lain memerintah.

Ini semua berkaitan adat, budaya dan agama. A Major one “AGAMA”. I think you can read my mind, right!

Kalau lagi 100 tahun tu aku tak pasti. Masa tu org Melayu more western than western it’s self. Masa tu aku yakin semua boleh terjadi sbb hal2 sensitif org tak kisah dah, terutama bab agama. Even sekarang pun orang dah tak kisah bab agama, future no body knows.

Kita org Melayu bukan racist cuma nak jaga hak agama kita, hak ketuanan dah lama kita campak kat tong sampah. Faham2 je lah ayat ni.

Cuma satu je ada kat kepala aku, kalau org bukan Islam or non-bumi memerintah, wujudkah lagi perundangan Islam kat negara ni. Are they will follow what we had done before as muslim country. Question mark?????

Anyway good issue.

ps: aku ni jenis orthodok sikit, sorry erk NH :sad:

pss: oh Temasik ku..

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NoktahHitam replied #1

I’d imaging a non-bumi PM will have a hard time attending an OIC conference. Everyone is muslim, except the PM of Malaysia.

Orthodox is ok. As long as you dont wear a C4 vest.

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merah mata replied #1

:up: ahak..!!! :grin: :grin: C4 ehmm.. how to use it, no lah just kidding!!

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haritz replied #1

@merahmata, a carbon copy of Amrozi wakakaka. Kalau aku c4 tu buat boom ikan je kat sungai.

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Tyra replied #1

Exactly what I think of about this issue.

In the end, the Malays would want to protect Islam (I hope so since there’s many munafik nowadays. huhu..). Somehow the question is that, what will happen to Islam once the Non-bumi’s or Non-muslim to be exact, govern Malaysia.

Honestly, I am worried… since even right now, there’s a lot of issues being raised in regards to our Syariah system and the issuance of Fatwas. To tell you the truth, I am not racist in terms that I don’t care that much about which race is that person is.. or which race controls this field in business and etc.

My main concern would go to my religion only. I think I have a duty towards it and if it requires a Malay (muslim) to be a PM, I would whole-heartedly support it.

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bongkersz replied #1

Ehem, what Malaysia has done as an Islamic country? ISA is Islamic? I have more to point out, but I seriously doubt the one who said ‘Kita org Melayu bukan racist cuma nak jaga hak agama kita, hak ketuanan dah lama kita campak kat tong sampah.’ really understand what he’s saying. Nobody is questioning Islam, Malay rights, but they are just asking for fair treatment as a citizen of this country. And, please.. look back, how often this ‘attacks against Islam and Malay’ issues were brought up non other but Umno leaders (same goes to other etnic-based parties – MCA and MIC fond of raising the same ‘threats’ against Chinese/Indian cultural values and identities), to instil fear among their brainless supporters.

Re attending OIC meeting, this is academic to argue, but (that’s a big BUT here..) if there’s a chance in future that Malaysia has a Non Muslim PM (which is very very very very unlikely..), he can always send the next most qualified person to attend the meeting. I am not aware if OIC meeting must be attended by the Prime Minister.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

Nope. Iran didn’t go to some of it’s convention. But if it were a non muslim PM, why not go? It’ll open up to new perspectives.

Like you said bong, UMNO raised Islamic issues but in reality, they drink, practice bribery, miss solat just like other hypocrites. Let’s not deviate this topic to ISA, petty fatwa and drinking party. It could be something as small as Azan, we don’t know for sure. But we’d really like someone who’s considerate. Like a high populated muslim population, they probably need to expand or build a new mosque. You know, stuff like that.

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haritz wrote on November 13, 2008 #13

nice entry. simple and brief comparison between US and Malaysia. keep it up!

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myadlan wrote on November 13, 2008 #14

Hi Ed.

Wow. I like your views on how Malaysia running the country.

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There’s no BUT.

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Nafty tak bersalah wrote on November 13, 2008 #15

Apekah yg aku taip.

*meraban.

Clearly Malaysia and US are two very different countries. To each of their own.

p/s: Agree on languages issue; our Malay language also have different2 dialect..

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Nafty tak bersalah wrote on November 13, 2008 #16

erm. Malaysia and US different government and policies. From The Star newspaper today, Mahathir said PM can be from bumi or non bumi :roll:

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kazasho wrote on November 13, 2008 #17

I really hope that Malaysia will not be like America when a black was voted by the white as their first black president and yes, Im a racist.

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Elafyf wrote on November 13, 2008 #18

Although I’ve always wanted a non-Malay prime minister for my life, your post made me hold my tongue and think a little. I’m thinking about the immaturity of Malaysian politics, given to see that how politicians use horribly obvious and no-brainer ways to throw each other in hot water.

I am a Chinese but I’m trying to be objective and stay rationale. I have no preferrence for what kind of prime minister – I only want one that is capable of ruling the torn nation and bringing rights to everyone, not just the ones sitting on the higher rung of the society.

I’m thinking if one day we have a non-Malay prime minister, will he ‘take it all out’ on the Malay politicians and more importantly, innocent Malay citizens? Will he see it as a change to take revenge, avenging based on what the Malay-dominated government has did to his particular minor ethnic group? It just worries me. What if he introduces drastic changes than undermines the Malays, the largest ethnic group by population in Malaysia? There will be tremendous political and social instability.

Now that takes us to the issue of the New Economic Plan of Malaysia. Many call it the hallmark of Malaysia’s racist policy – the way it is crafted seems to put a particular, major, ethnic group at advantage as compared to others. But have we ever scrutinised the policy closely? Since I’ve a kid, I’ve heard my parents complain day in, day out about how barbaric the policy is and it’s only until recently that I’ve started to look into the root of the problem. Without the New Economic Plan, Malays, the major ethnic group in Malaysia, might not secure a proportionate amount of assets in the economy. Although without the plan the Malaysian economy will be way more efficient (people who work harder will have a higher share of the economic ‘pie’), it throws the largest ethnic group into disadvantage. With them having the higher population weightage, they are capable of causing major disruptions by rioting and creating social unrest. In order to keep racial tensions low and the economy more equitable (not efficient, but equitable. Anyone who’ve learned economics before will know that there’s a tradeoff between efficiency and equity). It’s just unavoidable.

We also have to keep in mind that the NEP didn’t benefit all Malays equally. Only those in the middle class and the upper class, who are aware of their rights (due to assymetric information, poorer Malays may fail to understand and hence excise their rights) will gain, while the others will not. This creates a disparity. So there is also this unfair advantage even within the ethnic group itself.

Now I’m thinking, what if the new prime minister repeals the NEP (which is most probably what other ethnic groups will be pushing for)? The whole country will just collapse overnight, the transfer of economic share will be evident causing creater income disparity between ethnic groups. Racial tensions flare, and before we knew, maybe we will end up states wanted to secede from the country. It’s a nightmarish scenario, I’m not sure anybody had give much thought about the possibilities.

That’s why I don’t really know whether should we hope for a non-Malay PM… I think we should just get one that satisfy more than half of the population, get going, and wait for perhaps a hundred more years and see what happens :P

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NoktahHitam replied #1

This is the reason why I said numerous time, you are well ahead of your age Teddy.

I myself haven’t read the whole NEP thing. It’s so racist, that I think I might hurt myself after reading it.

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teddY replied #1

Oh thanks :) hah! Most of the words actually comes from my geopolitics teacher back in high school – he is one of the most objective person I’ve ever seen. I just give his words a little more thought.

In fact, NEP is what that is keeping the Malaysian society and economy from collapsing. Although it does no justice to people of other ethnic groups, it’s the best solution that the government can settle with… :eek:

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taukey replied #1

i like your explanation teddy :up:

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bongkersz replied #1

NEP in its more pure form is not racist and discriminatory, so it should not be abolished but to be revived back according to its true principles – to eliminate poverty and reduce the economy disparities among rakyat Malaysia regardless of race, religion and political beliefs.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

That means, the richer can not be richer, the poorer can not be poorer. Good thinking bro.

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teddY replied #1

After poking around Wikipedia (ahha, I turn to it for all life questions, perhaps) and the web, I read that NEP is set off to make the Malays, the largest ethnic group by population, to hold a proportionate amount of financial assets as with their relative population. The aim of NEP is simple – while taking advantage of Malaysia’s rapid economic growth in the 1970s to 1990s, it seeked to reduce the relative share of financial assets by other ethnic groups and increase that of the Malays. But don’t get me wrong there – we’re speaking in relative terms, which means that other ethnic groups are actually benefiting from the economic boom too, although a little less than the Malays since their relative share of the economic pie falls but the absolute value of the economic pie increases.

However, given that Malaysia has reached a developing country status and that high rates of economic growth is no longer sustainable (unlike in India or China where utilisation of resources are far from socially-sustainable levels), the growth of the economic pie will slow down. But NEP still keeps it the way that it reduces the relative share of asset ownerships of other ethnic grousp, this might actually lead to a fall in the absolute value. This has motivated many politicians to call for the scrapping of the entire NEP.

While what is said above is definitely true (and I believe so too), the social consequences of scrapping the NEP is drastic. What we actually need now is just to keep the relative share of financial assets by each ethnic group as what is it now, instead of shrinking / ballooning the relative share of any other group.

NEP isn’t a really big concern now anyway – we need political stability. Foreign news channels have started focusing on the entire Anwar ISA RPK Altantuya whatnots hoohah, and we need to fix the mess as soon as possible – political instability has shown to greatly hamper economic growth. Facing the global economic meltdown, we need to act fast. We must make sure that no capital flight occurs like what happened to many other countries in 1997 – political instability, social unrest coupled with investors’ own worries of their hot money.

Ah, am I saying too much? :shock:

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teddY wrote on November 13, 2008 #19

Tuhan jadikan manusia berbilang bangsa. Dari jumlah mereka yang banyak maka berteraburanlah mereka diatas muka bumi ini. Maka di beri pula tanah untuk mereka nikmati dan hidup mereka dalam kelompok mereka. Diangkat mereka dari jenis bangsa mereka untuk memimpin mereka. Dari situ wujudlah kg, daerah, negeri dan akhir sekali negara.

Maka bangsa itu di kenali dari wujudnya negara mereka. Bagi yang tak punya negara masih boleh hidup berkongsi dengan tuan punya tanah, dan juga menikmati hasil dari kebaikan tuan tanah.

Jadi faham lah kita kenapa Yahudi nak sangat negara. Bangsa yang bernegara. Macam di Nusantara ni kepunyaan orang Nusantara.

Allah itu Maha adil. Setiap bangsa di pisahkan di setiap kawasan berasingan. Jadi kalau wujud bangsa lain dibumi lain, yang mendatang kenalah tunduk. Itu sudah lumrah.

Jadi janganlah nak mengambil alih seperti negara sendiri, walau pun lahir dan punya dokumen yang sah, kerana anda masih org asing di bumi asing.

Aku bukan racist tapi fakta yang kadang- kadanng kita lupa dan mereka pula suka selewengkan dengan berbagai agenda yang konon setiakawan. Damn!!

NGO dan berbagai lagi merupakan pelobi mereka yang baik. Kita hanya jadi pak turut mereka, semua atas alasan ekonomi mereka pegang.

Bab saper jadi PM memang tak kisah tapi tuankah kita, boss ke kita. Tak boss lah kalau macam ni. Malas lagi nak membebel, ingat-ingat dan renunglah sendiri. :cry:

ps:Ingat bangsa ku jangan jadi pengemis di negara sendiri.

pss:maaf NH kadang2 sedikit over.

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bongkersz replied #1

“Jadi janganlah nak mengambil alih seperti negara sendiri, walau pun lahir dan punya dokumen yang sah, kerana anda masih org asing di bumi asing. ”

Nampak sangat kebebalan ko ni. Cuba semak salasilah pemimpin-pemimpin negara yang lepas, dan sekarang, aku hendak tahu sangat tentang ‘orang asing di bumi asing ni’.

Sampah.

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haritz replied #1

bonkersz@ tak kisah lah apa taraf pemimpin yang lepas2 tu, kau pun buta sejarah, aku kata org nusantara faham maksud org dari kawasan sekeliling nusantara, bukan nya yang mata sepet datang Tanah melayu atas faktor ekonomi atau bangsa yang di bawa masuk oleh Inggeris. Damn!! Kau yang bebal!!!

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barbie replied #1

A small piece of History for our future Generation
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Hitler’s public relations manager, Goebbels, once said, ‘If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth..’ Looks like that is what Umno has been doing ever since Mahathir a/l Mohamed came into power. This has spawned a new generation of Malaysians who do not know their own history

Once again our government had to wipe out any references to a famous Melaka prince as being Hindu and belonging to the powerful Hindu empire Sri Vijaya. So all of a sudden our museums, school text-books etc. all refer to Parameswara as a Malay prince.

What race ruled or did not rule is besides the point. What is important is not butchering history to create your own truths. You cannot change your race even if you convert – Parameswara could have been responsible for Umno’s stupid and false sense of heritage through ‘Ketuanan Melayu’. If this is what it is based on, there is no ‘Ketuanan Melayu’ because the lineage of Melaka Sultans are Indians, not Malays. It is no secret that Parameswara was an Indian and a Hindu prince. It is clear from records that Parameswara never converted to Islam. He was an Indian Hindu who fled Palembang in Sumatra to eventually found Melaka circa 1400 AD and start the entire Malaysian royalty. Malaysia’s royalty was and is of Hindu/India origin. On the other hand it was Sri Maharaja who converted himself and the court of Melaka to Islam, and as a result took on the name of Sultan Muhammad Shah sometime after 1435.

The most famous of Indian Hindu Kings were Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola who invaded Southern Thailand, Kedah, Perak, Johor and Sumatra about 1000 AD. This is Raja-raja Chola – the Indian/Hindu kings and not Raja Chulan – a Malay king.

But what is really sad is that our children are taught as though Malaysian history suddenly began in 1400 with an Islamic Melaka. Even the Malays themselves are being cheated by UMNO into believing that everything started around 1400. We are also led to believe that the Indians and Chinese first arrived on the shores of Malaysia only in around 1850 as desperate indentured labourers, farmers and miners. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The cultural influences of India in particular, and China, in South East Asia span over 2,000 years, starting perhaps with the arrival from India of the Brahmanical prince/scholar – Aji Saka in Java in AD78, through to Vietnam, Cambodia (Indo China), Thailand, Burma, Indonesia, Bali, Borneo, Brunei and beyond. Malay culture is Indian culture. In fact the whole of South East Asian culture is Indian culture.

The findings at Bujang Valley speak of an ancient Indian/Hindu presence in Kedah.. There were Chinese settlements in Pahang and Kelantan around the 13th -14th century and in 12th century in Singapore… The early Brunei Sultanate had a Chinese Queen. One need not ponder at length the implications of Angkor Wat and Borobudur or that 40%-50% of Bahasa Malaysia comprises Sanskrit/Tamil words . But ALL of these are hidden away from the rakyat inc the Malays themselves so the Malays in particular grow up with limited knowledge of their own country and heritage

To illustrate, some of these words are:

bumi = boomi

putra = putran

raja = rajah

desa = thesam

syakti = sakthi

kolam = kulam

bahaya = abahya

jaya = jeya

maha = maha

aneka = aneha

nadi = naadi

kedai = kadai

mahligai = maaligai

mantra = manthrum

menteri = manteri

Suka = Sukha

Duka = Dhukkha

Manusia=Mannusa

etc etc

(This list can go on and it is true because Tamil and Sanskrit are about 5, 000 years old)

An extremely important archeological find that pointed to one of the greatest empires in history – the Raja Cholan empire that ruled from the Maldives through India, Sri Lanka and right down to South East Asia found deep in the jungles of Johor a few years ago and made headlines in the mainstream newspapers in 2005, suddenly disappeared from the news…..

The time has arrived for us to record our history as the facts tell us and not as we would like to wish it for. The truth will never hurt anyone. Lies, always will.


bongkersz replied #1

Hahaha! Aku tak tau pulak kalau India tu dikira Nusantara, sedangkan banyak pemimpin Melayu, keturunan India.

Pak Lah, bukan ada darah mata sepet? Tetapi mereka ini jadi pemimpin Melayu, pemimpin Tanah Melayu.

Pendek cerita, kedatangan orang Melayu, suatu ketika dahulu juga atas sebab ekonomi. Dari mana mereka datang? Nusantara? Afrika? China? Itu bergantung kepada fakta sejarah mana yang ko selidik.

Your definition of ‘orang asing’ terlalu sempit dan bersifat memecahbelahkan perpaduan rakyat Malaysia :)
Siapa hendak mengambil alih negara ini? Itu yang menghairankan, wujudkan igauan songsang sebegini, kononnya ‘orang asing’ hendak merampas kuasa orang Melayu, sedangkan semuanya sudah termaktub dalam perlembagaan.

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NoktahHitam replied #1

kau akan jadi pengemis di negare sendiri bile kau manje. Macam budak yg sikit2 kite kacau, die nangis. Cube la kacau balik sekali sekale.

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haritz replied #1

itu lah yang aku cuba buat!!

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haritz replied #1

:mrgreen: Masih tak paham kau ni.. aku malas nak citer panjang sbb NH dah bukak citer baru, kau lihat camni je, China, India, Thailand..bla22222 xxx Tanah Melayu, bukan aku nak citer asal usul orang tu cuma mereka semua berasas dari BANGSA faham tak? Kalau nak citer bangsa campur2, org asli je yang tulen beb!!

ps: american said they not racist infect they are big mother fucker racist. All blogger here same, dont’ deny lah..

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teddY replied #1

I don’t really understand Malay a lot, so correct me if I’ve intepreted the above comment wrongly.

I frown upon comments that relate ethnic groups / races to nations. There is no correlation between ownership of a land to a particular race. What a load of bollocks. Please don’t throw that argument that we minor ethnic groups get a place to stay in Malaysia just because it’s upon the mercy of the government to issue us valid passport, birth certificate and citizenship.

As long as a person is born in that country, I believe that he has all the right on earth to claim citizenship. There’s nothing about race and religion. It just puzzles me why people have to entwine these together. Illogical.

There is no Malay Malaysia, no Chinese Malaysia, no Indian Malaysia… this is OUR Malaysia. Everyone has a share in contributing to the growth of this country, as well as maintaining the prosperity we have now, while trying to achieve social stability and equality. See that word, equality? :)

No man is different from one another just because he is of a different race or believes in a different God.

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teddY replied #1

Oh, and the ‘above comment’ thing I’ve mentioned refers to the parent comment and not NH’s comment :D just to avoid confusion. My bad!

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malay replied #1

:grin:
“As long as a person is born in that country, I believe that he has all the right on earth to claim citizenship. There’s nothing about race and religion. It just puzzles me why people have to entwine these together. Illogical.”

Life is not that simple.

Life is about forming a society and living within that society.

Unfortunately some races are more aggressive and cruel then others. E.g the European or caucasian killed the natives and tribes in US and Australia and claim the land and setup their cultural print.

So this happen in Malaysia. The European came and bring in Chinese and Indian labours to be their kulis. When they lost the wars they left behind this problem.

So the Malays being kind or stupid now that we think of it gave citizenship to Indians and Chinese migrants when no other country in the world would do that. The Malays did it under duress from the British.

So u have to live with this Malay world and culture or u can go back and live with your Chinese culture in China or India who ever u maybe.

The Malays have the rights to live according to their language and ways now that they have chased the european away.

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teddY replied #1

Obviously, Chinese and Indians have become the new African American in the eyes of a typical racial extremist and supremacist like you.

I beg to differ what you’ve said – some Chinese and Indians are brought over to Malaysia as labourers, but not all. Please get your facts right about history – don’t try to throw those skewed facts in my face. You know very well that there are Chinese and Indians of all different professions that come to Malaysia.

Malaysia did not ‘chase’ the British away – we just gained independent of them because we had proven to the British empire that we are a country that is capable of governing itself. We pushed for independence on the basis of unity and equality – and not denouncing that ‘oh, this is MALAY land’ or whatsoever. The name doesn’t imply anything.

And don’t get me wrong. I do respect Islam as being the official religion of Malaysia. I have no qualms that Malays are the major ethnic group in Malaysia. But I do not agree with the supression of other believes in Malaysia. I cannot condone the marginalisaiton and disadvantaging of the other minor ethnic group.

What you’ve just said just came out of the mouth of a supremacist. I didn’t object against Malay culture nor did I say that Malay shouldn’t be the offical language. Stop putting words in my mouth, unless you’re pretty much sure that I’ve said those (but most of the time I am aware of what I say and are SELECTIVE in my wording, unlike you, sadly enough).

Then again, I’m proud to be a Malaysian. It’s people like you that tries to create disunity in the country and create problems that don’t exist at the first place. Thank God, you’re not going to be a politician (I hope so).

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bongkersz replied #1

To ‘malay’:

“So u have to live with this Malay world and culture or u can go back and live with your Chinese culture in China or India who ever u maybe.”

I doubt your Malay brethren sharing the same idea with you. You are insulting Malays by saying they cannot co-exist with other races and implying other races are more aggressive that they pose threat to the Malays.

Your history understanding is screwed up, when on earth the Malays were under duress and forced to give citizenships to other races by British? British agreed to the independence because they believe this country can be self governed by all the races, not just one race.

Why you think the 3rd, 4th generation of other races as people who are here to ‘steal’ from the Malays, and takeover the country? What basis of your presumptions?

Since when other races object Malay cultures, or denying the rights of the Malays to go about with their custome, and using Malay language as the national language? Mind you, it is the politicians and some fanatics interpreting every actions by other races as sinister plots to ‘weaken’ or destroy the Malays.

Fear. When you fear, you cannot think straight. Now, think again. :arrow:

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malay replied #1

To Bonkers

“Your history understanding is screwed up, when on earth the Malays were under duress and forced to give citizenships to other races by British? British agreed to the independence because they believe this country can be self governed by all the races, not just one race.”

This fact is well known, the British forced the Malays to agree to give citizenship to the immigrants or else these people who were British Empire citizens may have to go to England just as in Hongkong or Uganda. The MCA had to go on a campaign to persuade Chinese to register as citizens so politically uninterested were they about Malaysia. So too the Indians, Seenivasagam was so grateful to the malays saying no other countries would have done it.

Why do you think immigrants Chinese and Indians deserved to be citizens of an unknown country? Most just want to make a fortune and go back to Kwangtung or wherever.. Most of them had dual citizenship as they were not sure of the economic prosperity in then Malaysia. At one stroke it saved the British from their burden of their collapsing colonialism.

The natives malays were taking Persekutuan Tanah Melayu back from the British.

To Teddy

“Malaysia did not ‘chase’ the British away – we just gained independent of them because we had proven to the British empire that we are a country that is capable of governing itself. We pushed for independence on the basis of unity and equality – and not denouncing that ‘oh, this is MALAY land’ or whatsoever. The name doesn’t imply anything.”

Hahaha..the British give up Malaya which was rich with rubber and tin willingly? The Malays were willing to take up arms and the British empire then was crumbling there was nothing that they can do. The Japanese success in humiliating the English and incarcerating them showed Malays that the English were not invincible. And the Japanese offered greater SEA.

If vernacular schools continue to teach Mandarin and Indians culture of course there will be a collision in future. That is a guarantee.

Although 3rd generation chinese and Indians feel they are unfairly burden by the sins of their fathers/grandfathers their option is really not bad. With their vernacular education they have their cultural ties intact. While Malaynes cannot be changed..however hard people like Raja Petra would try by marying a chinese, it is not possible to convert the natives into another cultural makeup.

The aggresiveness of chinese or indians or bangla or mynamar migrants is well recorded. Lim Goh Tong came over with only RM10 and by hard work and luck venture into gambling that allows him respectability with his fortune. As Malays frowned publicly on gambling he was able to monopolise gambling abetted by prominent malays family.

The unfair trade practices and cutthroat lifestyles of chinese labour are also frowned in europe or us…to be continued…hehehe :halo:

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teddY replied #1

Being given citizenship is a right – not a privilege. I beg to disagree with you. Granting a person citizenship has nothing to do with our colonial past – even if the Malays are not forced to give out citizenship, you will eventually have to. No country can be made up of a pure ethnic group, and what makes a country thrive is the peaceful coexistence between different races that have comparative advantage in different industries. No man is an island – so does for a single race, religion or ethnic group.

What you have in your mind is that other ethnic groups are snatching what the Malays should have entitled to – this is not true and complete unfounded. I don’t see any wrong with Lim Goh Tong operating a casino in Malaysia – the rules and regulations are well laid out, Malays are not allowed to enter the casino and neither are they forced to enter one. Then what about alcoholic drinks? Just because you can’t consume them that means a nation-wide ban on them? So far I don’t see any such ban kicking into effect.

Mind you, inter-racial marriages are not an attempt to ‘convert the natives into another cultural makeup.’ Marriage is personal devotion and commitment to one another – I have no idea where did you get that skewed opinion of yours. Inter-racial marriages are just like any other marriages, and you frown on them just because it involves people from different races? How racist.

Again I thank God for you not being a history textbook author.

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haritz wrote on November 14, 2008 #20

I don’t care who will become PM, what religion, what race as long as he/she’s qualified to lead, and is accepted by all. Merits, yes!

Those asking why Non Bumi cannot be PM is akin to those saying only Bumi or Malay can be PM. Same group of people.

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bongkersz wrote on November 14, 2008 #21

ermmm.. this might sound racist to racist peeps.

Nama pun lagi Tanah Melayu.

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arep wrote on November 15, 2008 #22

yo.. see post number 5..
very interesting comment from ‘malay’
and i had replied to him..

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KwOnG FeI wrote on November 17, 2008 #23

:grin:

Hehehe I have more interesting views …Kwang

Its a pity Malaysians dont understand the similarity between Obama and Pak Lah.

Even American miss this point. Obama father was not part of the slaves that are the ancestors of most negros in America.

He was a Muslim student from Kenya so had no slavery hangup.

PakLah Chinese ancestor was never a factor as Malays are racially blind. Pak Lah embraced Malay culturally, Obama embraced the Jews wholeheartedly. Obama drop his father’s name Hussein, gave up Islam embraced Catholic, appoint a Jewish fighter immediately as Chief of Staff.

So there is nothing there about Obama that any malaysian can be proud of or want to emulate.

They should be proud of Pak Lah the 25% Chinese who was able to lead the Malays and Malaysia by embracing culturally the Malays and think himself as Malays first.

Just as Obama think of the Jews first.

If Pak Lah Chinese grandfather had taken his wife back to China he would be Chinese. As it is his grandfather chose to assimilate and adopt Malay culture and language and let his daughter marry a Malay thus letting a quarter Chinese to be the PM of Malaysia.

Of course if his grandfather wanted to promote Mandarin he would have been chased away or worse, which he wisely avoided unlike some smart alec politician.

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bongkersz replied #1

I don’t get it this Jews vs Muslims thing :) Historically… both religions worship the same God, acknowledge same prophets. Period. (Not going to comment long because it’s irrelevant to the topic)

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malay replied #1

arab and european..jews and arabs… they are the promoters of the two main religions and also promoters of endless crusades..fights..wars.. I have always said malaysians should be wise enough not to take sides. Arabs and europeans had been fighting for centuries..for their own supremacies..over their own naionalistic egos..we are just at the side lines asking why?

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malay wrote on November 19, 2008 #24

hey, this is just my concern…

why obama become us president.. kerana kemampuannya untuk mempengaruhi orang kulit putih dan kulit hitam.. dia mempunyai character nya yang sendiri… tengoklah berapa juta orang putih berhimpuan semasa taklimat menerima jawatan… cara dia cakap.. cara dia berdialog.. mmg mempengaruhi sesiapa yang mendengarnya.. dia tak memaksa pun sesiapa untuk memberi peluang black control amerika.. no..! nonsense.. even white, jew, black, chinoz.. all together support him.. with open heart… not kerana dipaksa..

one day if Malaysian ada leader dari bangsa bukan bumiputra.. dan dia mampu mempengaruhi melayu, india, cina…untuk menyokongnya.. off course semua akan terima..

i think, nobody should say, onather race must give chance to another race to lead.. hey mate u wrong… dont ask for chance.. working urself.. to get respect…

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lochoe wrote on November 21, 2008 #25

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